What is the most overlooked consideration?


What is the most overlooked consideration when buying a piece of audio gear? We all buy gear and we all have to make choices as to what component to get, what brand, etc. What is at the top of your criteria for choosing a piece and why? Synergy? reputation of brand ?hype your heard? it’s the best compliment to my system? warranty and service? I just wanted to try a cable? I only buy brands from the UK? Etc 

So you can tell what’s at the top of your list but mostly I want you to share what you think is a much overlooked consideration and why?
 

For myself I often think customer service gets overlooked as being very important.

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Showing 8 responses by mahgister

Timbre cannot be understood with linear Fourier maps because it is a result of a physical event perceived and directly interpreted by us in our own time domain ...

 

You do not think as an acoustician but as a dac seller...

You distorted what i intend to say to recover your audio seller pitch...

Your understanding of what is "timbre" is obsolete...

 

 

Read this material, not yet in Britannica,and link them all together to have a small idea about what i talk about ...

http://file:///C:/Users/Propri%C3%A9taire/Downloads/2024-02-pythagoras-wrong-universal-musical-harmonies-1.pdf

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-45812-z

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/230724368_Human_Time-Frequency_Acuity_Beats_the_Fourier_Uncertainty_Principle

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2308859121

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375865063_Pitch_and_Tone_Primacy_of_sound_sources_in_auditory_perception_by

  Timbre is always a mystery a problem unsolved in acoustics but we know that it cannot be described by Fourier linear maps computations... WE need something else described in the article of Akpan J. Essien, the last article here above...

 

 

 And yes Timbre result of the microdynamics vibration of the material components  of the sound source then the vibrating object communicating directly to us listener his various qualias... It does not result of your gaze on a electronic dial as a dac seller making his selling pitch...

 

In a word: there is a physical invariant in the evaluation of Timbre which is directly perceived  as a qualia of the vibrating sound sources microdynamics....Timbre is not a mere  figure on your electronic dial, it is a bit more complicated ....it is why acoustics is not just engineering but a fundamental multidisciplinary field...

 

 

Microdynamics do not create or lead to timbral characteristics — not if you truly understand what you’re talking about.

To answer the OP question i will write only one sentence :

 

 It is useless to buy a 5,000 bucks dac if this dac is not as most dac in most system properly grounded ...

 

The most important lesson in audio comes not from upgrading experiences contrary to what  most think  boasting about their gear pieces tastes (price and results);

It comes from proper electrical,mechanical and acoustical working optimization process...

It ask for time not for money, it ask for  acoustics studying and experiments not about  audio reviews study...

 
 

 

 

In a flawed by design stereo system (See Dr. Edgar Choueiri papers here ),

there is no "mythical" reproduction of the timbre experience, which is also not only a tone experience but a dynamic experience (the way the musician hands touch the guitar strings for example ) There is only a translation of the recording trade-off choices of the recording engineer room & micros parameters according to the acoustics parameters of your room system...

 

i dont listen to a dac, i listen to the timbre experience in real life and in playback to learn how to make an improvement in the acoustics parameters of my room to improve not the impossible reproduction but the acoustical optimal translation of the recording choices in my own room  ...

Acoustics rules audio not the reverse...

 

The performance, and the composition....these two elements are in all of our recordings. So, buying a piece of gear, because it seems to get the timbre right? The timbre has been altered already. What about the microphones, the selected placement of the mics, and everything else down the line prior to our ears experiencing it....

 

 

 

i was speaking of the vibrating sound source, for example a vibrating violin, under the touch of a musician which total  resulting microdynamics created a timbre quality perceived differently from different location... This timbre qualia inform us about the state of the vibrating sound source and even about the state of the musician touch...

I never spoke of microdynamics versus timbre...you misread my posts...

 

I have to say, your definition / reasoning of microdynamics versus timbre doesn’t seem accurate. I’m not sure where that interpretation came from.  Microdynamics refers to subtle changes in loudness / volume or fine-level details of the sound over short timescales.  Timbre is the tonal color, i.e., warm vs cold / bright, or quality, i.e., rich vs lean, of a sound allowing one to differentiate different instruments or voices.

i am sorry to say so and i apologize to said it to you, but you have no idea about acoustics power to modify the sound in all aspects...

 I do not say this to diminish the importance of picking a good dac....It is fundamental too ...As Acoustics is...

Nothing replace the mechanical (vibrations/resonance controls),or the electrical control, (Gounding,EMI protection,DC filterings) or acoustical controls of system/room.

 

The electrical controls dont replace the mechanical controls and neither replace acoustical controls...

No dac choice will improve a system in a bad room which speakers are badly vibrating and resonant and which no gear is properly grounded with no EMI protection and no filtering of DC....

But the most important factor is Acoustic control as the more powerful at the end of all ...

The perception of timbre can indeed be influenced by room acoustics—through reflections, absorptions, and resonances that may subtly enhance or diminish certain frequencies. However, these effects are generally minor compared to the intrinsic harmonic content of the sound produced by such components as a DAC or preamp.

Therefore, I respectfully disagree with the assertion that timbre is an acoustic "concept" that can be rationed by the ASW/LEV ratio. To illustrate this, consider a simple experiment: move from your main listening position closer to the speakers, thereby minimizing room acoustic effects. You’ll likely find that the fundamental "color" of the sound remains consistent, reinforcing the idea that timbre is predominantly determined by the source and its harmonic structure.

First Timbre pertain to the microdynamics of the vibrating object (violin)  and is perceived very differently in a room or concert Hall in function of the position of the listener...Timbre is at the same time an objective and subjective concept because his evaluation is subjective...

ASW/LV is not a concept defining Timbre "per se" as you wrongfully claimed misreading me but a ratio between sound source width and immersive listening impression which ratio we must control by controlling the balance between reflection/absorption/diffusion in a room and controlling also the zones pressures distribution by using tunable mechanical Helmholtz resonators (in my case)

 

Timbre cannot be encoded digitally well if it is not recorded well to begin with in a specific controlled acoustic room (concert hall or recording studio)... It is why sound engineer own a pair of biologically created ears...

Not only that but for sure if the dac is not good the timbre perception will be not good, but it way more difficult and essential to control room acoustic with a good or with a bad dac anyway... Why ? because you do not hear just the dac design you hear it through the Speakers/room interaction directly...

Takes the speed of sound and divide it by the room dimensions to know how many times the sound waves will struck you ears in one second...timbre perception depend of your location in your room as in your concert hall...

Timbre is an analog acoustic  perceived phenomenon informing us about the qualitative state of a vibrating body (violin or guitar or drum etc )... Your dac only code and decode the analog waves... The fundamental steps are the recording  step and the play back step in your room...Dac matter but it is  way more easy to purchase a relatively  good dac than a good room...

Publicity for gear and marketers and sellers and reviewers  dont say all the truth to sell a dac precisely among other piece of gear...

Acoustics rules...

But is it necessary to specify that acoustics controls cannot replace a bad dac and compensate for it, nor acoustic cannot replace the bad grounding of this dac at any price... ( all gear must be well grounded and no one pay attention to this between their upgrades race)

 

What is seriously overlooked  is "grounding issue" easily solved if we know how, But the most overlooked are acoustics concepts (not audio concepts),( timbre is an acoustic concept as is the ration ASW /LEV and the way to control it,our room is an Helmholtz resonator then how to control it etc )

 

Synergy because the best piece of gear will do anything coupled with the wrong one...

 

 Once bought...

 

Adressing the three working dimensions:

Mechanical :   Speakers vibrations resonance controls...(other gear vibration is important too but  secondary compared to speakers)

Electrical :  Wall plug and central panel control of interferences...

                    But mostly overlooked , the necessary well  grounding of dac, amp and preamp...

 Acoustical:  the system/room various parameters control...  Balance between diffusion,reflection,absorbtion and control over these ... What is very overlooked is the power of the Helmholtz resonators by their parameters adjustment and their location to tune and tame  a room...