what is the difference between good and bad music


my friend says rap is bad music. another friend says mahler is a terrible composer.

is it all subjective, i.e., a matter of opinion ? or are there standards which can distinguish good from bad music, however one defines these terms ?

if there are standards, can one specify them or refer me to a source ?
mrtennis

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Its amazing how many of you guys seem to actually listen to music and care whether or not its "good or bad". Hell, I thought this hobby was all about listening to trains, planes, and cannon shots.

Maybe, for the more advanced musicphiles amoungt us we need a modern 1812 Overture with Napoleon leaving Russia on a train as jets roar overhead and the Russians are firing their cannons at him!. Go figure - Music (for the masses). I'm amazed! We might even get it on multi-channel DVD so even if you're deaf you can get the picture and feel the vibrations.

Reminds me of Professor Johnson's old LP "Amazing Sound Show" (or something like that). They captured an African drumming group beating up a storm. Absolutely loved it!! Drove the wife and kids out of the house! Ask them about bad 'music'. :-)
I agree with Mr Tennis's comments in his post to bartok fan of 4/30 where in he sez "...its all subjective, if you like it its good, if you don't its bad. Its a philosophical argument with no conclusion".

How can any intelligent person argue with that? Hell I can't even imagine why any intelligent person would even raise the question in the first place, except to create a debate empty of significance. Sort of like fishing in a trout farm pond with an empty hook!
Mr Tennis, Your inconsistency detector may need recalibration. Same POV from my direction except I used a different manner of expressing it.
Bartokfan, You're in jeopardy of being banned because you don't like Beethoven?! Wow!

Now I wonder what would happen to me when they find out I'm bored by Bach and can't stand Berg. :-)