What actually determines volume power? Is it watts?


I have a Yamaha AS-3200 amp. It sounds beautiful and has a really good open sound. The problem is I like my music loud since I live alone and typically I have the volume 70% and with some recordings it is not high enough. I need a amp that has more power/volume.

The AS-3200 is 200 watts at 8 ohms. I see many amps, even much more expensive ones (like the Yamaha M-5000), are also at around 200 watts per a channel at 8 ohms. I am going by 8 ohms for my speakers and also the worse case scenarios. Does this mean if I had a more expensive class AB amp like the M-5000 I would still be listening at 70% volume and getting the same power/loudness? If not, then what actually determines the volume power if not watts?

dman777

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@dman777 you’ve sparked one of the best threads I’ve seen in a long time with many members taking deep dives into watts / amperage / speaker relationship.  A lot of members took a lot of time to delve into the topic and provided a lot of great advice and guidance.  I’d echo what others already have form a speaker / amp pairing.  Gaining Volume from an Amp relative to your speakers is more complex than just looking at the speaker sensitivity rating and the watts rating on the amp.  Improving performance / volume with your current speakers is more complex than manufacture #’s on an amp and or speakers. As many have referenced, having visibility to your set up would really open up the type of detailed advice that could be provided, not just your speakers but everything in the chain.  Gain values apply to DAC’s, Streamers, CD players, Turntables and that impacts the volume knob on your Yamaha Reciever.  
 

Best analogy I’ve seen when talking about amplifier performance and the ability for an amp to drive a set of speakers is that to an engine, not all Horsepower is created equal, following that logic, not all Watts are created equal.  For an engine, torque plays a huge role in performance of the HP that an engine produces, where and when the torque and HP shows up in the RPM range of the engine plays a huge role in how the performance of the engine translates to the performance of the car.  It’s the same for an amplifier, not all watts are created equally.  In SS amps, so much of the control of the speaker has to do with the amps ability to control the woofer, drivers and as many others have referenced, deal with the wide variation of impedance requirements.  A large power supply coupled with the proper design / implementation is what allows the combination of amperage and watts that drive speakers to effortless volume.  Having a reserve of power to then drive watts / amperage is what gives an amp headroom.  When you pair an amp with speakers you need to understand what type of car you are dropping the engine into.  You wouldn’t drop a race car engine in a Ford Super Duty 350 and you wouldn’t drop a diesel 6.7 liter V8 into a Toyota Camry.  Same principles apply when pairing an amp with speakers.  You need the right combo of watts / amperage, one without the other however won’t get you to fully realize a speakers full potential.  An amp with a lower wattage rating but a higher amperage rating, power supply that can deliver more current will almost always drive speakers to higher levels than an amp that has a higher watts rating but lacks the power supply to deliver amperage / current.  Again though, grab a pair of high efficiency speakers and hook them up to high amp / watt Coda or Krell amps and you won’t get past turning your equipment on and you could have music playing rather loudly with the volume dial at zero, create as many problems as not having enough watts / power.  
 

Thanks for starting the thread, it generated a ton of thoughtful, insightful replies within the Gon community, good luck. 

The question on if the OP needs more watts to drive more volume is an easier question to answer than I first realized and touched on by some but not specifically called out.  The Integrated Amp has fully functional power meters.  At 70 % volume, what is the amp putting out per channel?  If it’s a ton of watts, 70 % of the 100 watts then looking at a different amp might make sense.  I’d guess it’s far lower and the amp can put more out if the volume is cranked further.  If that still isn’t delivering the volume the OP is looking for, then really honing in on the speakers sensitivity and amps power supply / amperage along with watts, synergy with all the gear in the chain, specific attention with matching the gain levels of the gear would be the way to go.  Steve Huff did an extensive review, tried at least 3 different speakers with it, concluded the 3200 would likely drive 95 % of speakers out there.  He concluded it’s not a beast like a Coda, Krell, Pass but should be able to drive most speakers.