What About LiFePO4 Batteries and Pure Sine Wave Inverters?


Lots of threads on dedicated AC circuits, but not much information regarding DC to AC battery driven systems. I never considered this as a power option because I assumed that the inverter would be noisy, but is this true? The setup is pretty simple where an AC/DC charger has the negative lead attached to the battery and the positive passes through an appropriate fuse on the way to the positive terminal. The on/off function can be a simple removal of the plug from the wall, or a smart wall plug. The charge state can be read from the charger, or you can add a wired, or Bluetooth battery monitor. The battery then feeds the inverter with a much larger fuse on the positive line to the input of the inverter. Your system is then plugged directly into the inverter, or at least your power conditioner is plugged into the inverter. Depending on battery capacity and system power usage, you can then run off the grid for many, or not so many hours. The problem is that it is difficult to find advice on such a power arrangement here on Audiogon. I’m just now putting together a system and I’m thinking that for better lithium battery life and shorter charge times, I want a larger capacity battery that I charge to 80%. I might also want an inverter that is oversize compared to the load that it experiences, in that most inverters turn on their fans when they reach 40% of their max power, or reach thermal trigger levels. The latter makes me think that mounting to a large aluminum surface might be thermally advantageous. Perhaps, someone that actually has some experience with this subject could offer some pointers.

vonhelmholtz

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I’ll take the credit for telling @vonhelmholtz about how I took my whole system off the grid and implementing a battery supply. I got the idea myself from @ricevs replying to an inquiry of mine on GAN amps (thank you, Ric!), which led me to another thread on this forum of Class D enthusiasts who have gone off the grid.

My biggest hesitations at first were simply the risks of fire, leakage, or shock, and the pains of having to manage and charge the battery given that I have a high powered system that isn’t efficient like Class D. Once I got it set up, though, it’s been pretty easy to manage. Never once did I worry about the noise from the inverter, but I chose the Giandel 2000W model as I learned that most noise seems to occur if you utilize more than 40% of the power draw and fans kick in, etc.

That said, I am using both a Synergistic Research PowerCell SX conditioner, from which everything including my amps are plugged into the inverter, as well as one of their UEF AC Performance Enhancers, which is plugged in to the second AC output of the Giandel. As an authorized SR customer since 2014 dealer since 2023, I’ve found their power and grounding solutions to be exceptional and likely further reduce any noise generated from the inverter.

What I will say is this. Not only do I have dedicated lines, but I run those lines starting with a quality breaker. The cabling I’m using is $50/ft DH Labs Red Wave cabling, which is 10AWG of over 1,300 fine silver coated pure copper with advanced noise rejection properties, and high grade outlets. It was quite expensive to put in place, yet once I got the battery and inverter system in place, the improvement was immediately notable at a fairly dramatic level. Added blackness resulting in sonic clarity, snap, and definition of decay were the first attributes that captured my attention, but the soundstage also shifted and became wider and more spacious. I have demoed the differences for clients that come over as it’s easy to shut down the inverter, replug my system into the dedicated line, and start everything back up.

As another Audiogoner who visited me this past weekend stated, there was also no shortage of current considering my whole system was plugged into the inverter. He has asked for the shopping list of the system I built, and I told him I would update him based on the learnings Gary implements in his build. I like some of Gary’s directions on trickle charging and monitoring, which I will likely add to mine as my charger is pretty loud and annoying when in use.

I do keep the charger connected to the batteries at all times, but there is a hard switch to turn the charger off when not in use.

The cost of entry was pretty low considering what I spend on my reference system, so I thought the experiment was worth trying. At worst case, I could use the system for something not audio related, say when I am ready to install some solar panels and have backup reserves for when power goes out.