Zd542: I got this feel it sound a little bit thin on mid, the bass is still shy to me, but no resonance, just not so excited compare to my ported Denton, the biggest problem is high, a lot of crushing sound came out, I'm using JDS Labs ODAC and Class D Audio 400C power amp, is this a transparent setup like 3X transparent? DAC + amp + speakers? Neutral sound? so if I need a light taste of warm color, what preamp should I use then? Arghhh, those prices just too much for me...
Timrhu: I'm interested to know more, for example, I have some poor/not so perfect live recordings with excellent musical feel, the background noise just bringing out too forward to be listenable, was that your problem that happened too? |
Mechans, Roxy54: hmm thanks for the clarification, for the moment I'll assume it not fully broken in yet, as no way it the high sound like what I describe...as for the bass woofer I guess it's the same thing, hmm how come so hard to break in? But then what's the break in do? |
Tls49: You mean that the speakers reach the excursion limit? hmm did you mean every speakers got this limit?
Mechans: From your experience, do you think this metal dome tweeter break in will ever happen? I mean it's metal! The build on Jade 3 is so rock solid, it's like very stiff stuff, all 3 components high, mid, low is very stiff indeed. I got a pair of Denton, soft dome tweeter, it seem not much burn in needed, it play pretty good |
Mechans: Thanks for your detailed explanation. I'm a poor music lover, always looking for budget gears, indeed I already found my audio nirvana with JDS Labs ODAC > Class D Audio 400C power amp > Wharfedale Denton 80th Anniversary speakers, this combination is musical enough to bring tears and joys when I'm listening, just that I'm trying to seek some dynamic improvements, though I'm not used to giant size of floor stander speakers due to immobility of moving those. I got an refurbished NAD 3020i, though I was trying to use it as preamp, it does not sound clear enough to me, and I found that I dun like to put preamp + poweramp as 2 blocks of big gears, in the end still prefer without preamp, control volume from computer DAC volume, this sound best to me. |
@Scott: yea, before purchase I did think about the high, as reviews also pointed out that. If that's the case, this is totally unacceptable to me, cannot defined as Hi-Fi sound in any sense at all. I discuss with the distributor to see what I can get further explanation or understanding...thanks for your opinion |
@Sunnyjim, Abucktwoeighty, @Zd542: thanks for the advice, I'm not in hasty to change anything yet, I've asked some people advice, they said need at least 300 to 500 hours break in o_O, wow damn long for me to suffer that. Well, I'll be patient for few months to see what's miracle can happen. Currently still feel that some tracks sound fatigue to me, some sound wonderful, overall I will say the sound is not fully open yet, but one thing for sure is the clarity and definition of these 3 ways is beyond what the Denton can do, thus I'm worry it can be a bit more analytical than you imagine, everything from background to instrumental details is voice out clearly. Also due to I'm listening too many types of music, except heavy metal rock music, if anything I think this speakers is perfect for heavy metal rock music, coz the presentation is very delicate and full of ohmp and dynamic, musical I'm not sure, let's see... |
@Zd542: I'm using taralabs and xlr burn in tracks. So far, the progress is slow to me, arghhhhh long process... |
I have to report back again. After some more listening, even with some equalizer tweaks like Equalizer APO, I still can't take the harsh sound of Jade 3, still love the Denton sound. I'm waiting Wharfedale distributor solutions, he claims try to solve it via cables, well? |
@Roxy54, @Timrhu: Well, I try to be calm, as the dealer did give me some very good offer and advice. I don't mind to look further on Opus 2 M2 if it's sound forgiving as the Denton while give better dynamic than the Denton, I just need a musical speakers. The Opus 2 M2 may concern me a bit on the size and how to be put on stand, also most important the sound. Also if to sell the speakers, I don't think it's gonna be easy, between what's other speakers would you suggest if to listen music with less fatigue and minimal resolution sacrifice, Harbeth? But I worry how about the bass and dynamic on Harbeth though. While Dynaudio could be a bit more forwarding speakers, and not easy for gears matching. |
@Zd542: Well, ya I remain cool, I also think that cables won't solve my problem, though I found that equalizer APO help a bit, a lot more tracks are listenable now, but still not as smooth as the Denton tweeter, hmm
@Mechans: well, the price is very friendly to me, but then I still doubt the cables will solve the sound issue, well I will witness that and report back whether it works, I'm afraid it's not easy to sell this not so popular speakers, also it's size is pretty big, not so easy to get rid of xD |
@Timrhu: Thx, that's great suggestion for tweaks, seriously now I realize that it's hard to listen to music without any sort of color or tone tweaks, be it speakers be it headphones, it's nonsense when they mention dead neutral, it will sound very thin flat and boring dull, and I guess the sense of natural is in that it seduce you in a light colourful but not overdone way, resulting more forgiving to listen to more and more music |
@Mmeysarosh: Thx for the technical details and explanation. I just try to drive it using Marantz PM6005, it seem the high freq smooth a bit, sibilant are gone and not noticeable, but the overall balance still not there, and sound noisy to me, it seem the Jade 3 is a forward speakers, need very careful matching, while the Denton is kinda LS 3/5a sound, pairs with transparent amp, I will say it's not laid back sound, but very engaging to listen to, plus the Denton bass is very good. Hmm I wonder do we have a balanced LS 3/5a amp with just nice bass for forward speakers like Jade 3? Seem hard to match huh? |
I have to report again. Just few hours ago, I switch out the Denton, and connect back Jade 3, hmm this time I feel not much fatigueness, it's resonance become very very low, though the mid feeling is not color or as thick as the Denton, but the noisy effect suddenly not so obvious to me. Though I still can hear cymbal and sibilant, like piano or metal related sound, hmm perhaps I really should give more time for the speakers to break in, the bass still feel a little shy to me, but it's good resonance is lowest so far I've heard from any speakers. What do you guys think? |
@Sunnyjim: I'm not able to audition the speakers, as the dealer not provide such, as he only give very good offer. My conclusion is aluminium tweeter always sound brighter than soft dome tweeter. I will try to trade in to get Wharfedale Opus 2 M2, the drivers on this speakers are very very interesting, and highly regarded from fellow from my country, but the price is like double, and the finish is very limited. The Denton generally is very well regard for music listening pleasure, the dynamic limitation should not been a bother to you. Try the Opus series, but you'll need more cash |
@Shakeydeal: Thx for your report. Did your friend try to use something like NAD preamp? |
@Shakeydeal: I see, what preamp he use? |
@Shakeydeal: That's the thing, so he's using a passive preamp? which is the same case for me, I'm not using any preamp, directly from DAC to poweramp, if use an active preamp could have been different story...I will try NAD C 165BEE |
@Zd542: Thanks for your suggestions. Actually, even without the Jade 3 problem, I plan to buy a proper preamp for my setup, as I dun like the way I control DAC volume digitally, though it works just fine on Wharfedale Denton. Also NAD has come a long way in HiFi history, the gear mostly will work with British speakers, if it does not I still get a decent volume control and rich features of input. Between, any other preamp comes with DAC worth a try? |
@Sunnyjim: Thanks for your detailed opinions. I came to realize there are a lot of different speakers from different brands, can sound bright, can sound warm, and very few sound balanced and musical. I did hear about Focal Aria 906, not sure still able to get this model, how would describe it? Forgiving? I'm considering a Dynaudio DM 2/7 or second hand Dynaudio Focus 110 too, are they forgiving speakers? From what I heard, it's not forgiving to some less than perfect recordings? |
I've just listen to the Jade 3 and Opus floorstander with tubes at Wharfedale dealer showroom, hmm I'm not impressed, it sound a bit harsh to me, does not feel "quiet" when listen to, wonder it's a correct setup, or need proper matching... |
@mayven: I'm from Malaysia, you can try to email him c.b.tan@hotmail.com or doublegtresources@yahoo.com |
I'm afraid nothing will help, the drivers used in Jade 3 design are just untamed or at least it's difficult to product a balanced sound for music, suggest go for Wharfedale Denton 80, pretty powerful speakers. |
