We Need To Talk About Ones And Zeroes


Several well-respected audiophiles in this forum have stated that the sound quality of hi-res streamed audio equals or betters the sound quality of traditional digital sources.

These are folks who have spent decades assembling highly desirable systems and whose listening skills are beyond reproach. I for one tend to respect their opinions.

Tidal is headquartered in NYC, NY from Norwegian origins. Qobuz is headquartered in Paris, France. Both services are hosted on Amazon Web Services (AWS), the cloud infrastructure services giant that commands roughly one third of the world's entire cloud services market.

AWS server farms are any audiophile's nightmare. Tens of thousands of multi-CPU servers and industrial-grade switches crammed in crowded racks, miles of ordinary cabling coursing among tens of thousands of buzzing switched-mode power supplies and noisy cooling fans. Industrial HVAC plants humming 24/7.

This, I think, demonstrates without a doubt that audio files digitally converted to packets of ones and zeroes successfully travel thousands of miles through AWS' digital sewer, only to arrive in our homes completely unscathed and ready to deliver sound quality that, by many prominent audiophiles' account, rivals or exceeds that of $5,000 CD transports. 

This also demonstrates that digital transmission protocols just work flawlessly over noise-saturated industrial-grade lines and equipment chosen for raw performance and cost-effectiveness.

This also puts in perspective the importance of improvements deployed in the home, which is to say in the last ten feet of our streamed music's multi-thousand mile journey.


No worries, I am not about to argue that a $100 streamer has to sound the same as a $30,000 one because "it's all ones and zeroes".

But it would be nice to agree on a shared-understanding baseline, because without it intelligent discourse becomes difficult. The sooner everyone gets on the same page, which is to say that our systems' digital chains process nothing less and nothing more than packets of ones and zeroes, the sooner we can move on to genuinely thought-provoking stuff like, why don't all streamers sound the same? Why do cables make a difference? Wouldn't that be more interesting?

devinplombier

I am not a networking expert, but when you request a set of data from a provider, you can't receive "noise". You can't receive anything different than what was packaged and sent. You must receive what the provider sent to the last bit. Nothing will be added removed. This "noise" stuff is pure imaginary BS.

@jeffbij I never said sequence of ones and zeros were corrupted.  I said the signal is has errors including jitter, transmission impairments, and EMI.  None of these involve a corrupted sequence, additional or absent digits or sequences.   We are arguing the over semantics regarding the use of the term unscathed.   It is unscathed with regard to the accuracy of the digital sequencing based on the TCPIP protocol but scathed in its timing and signal quality.  

"Timing and signal quality" the go to for the forum expert.

 

Jesus you lot need to stop

I can't wait until someone comes up with a teleporter that guarantees a bit perfect transfer of someone and watch everyone fight to be the first Brundlefly. 

Carry on. 

All the best,
Nonoise

"I said the signal is has errors" - it doesn't.

"scathed in its timing and signal quality" - that happens after the packages arrived to streamer. Imagine it like a train station. All the containers arrived, numbered and "unscathed" with every single little package in them. 

When the streamer sends stuff to the DAC, maybe it does a lousy job with the signal.