We Can Make Classic Cars Outperform Today's "SuperCars": Why Not Vintage Audio?


If you spent $2M on a modern "Supercar", you’d arrive at the end of a quarter mile 2 football fields behind the quickest highly-modified "street legal" cars from the muscle car era. You could show up at an Autocross event in your late model "track ready" sports sedan, and be embarrassed by a lady pushing a 1986 Monte Carlo between the cones.

There’s a lot of resources and talent in the automotive aftermarket. Many of the brightest minds earned weekly paychecks in their "past lives" at major auto manufacturers. There are various disciplines involved including complete engine and drive train replacements, serious add-on/mods to existing components, bigger/better brakes, track-ready suspensions, etc. They can even slide a complete new high-performance rolling chassis underneath popular models.

So, why not vintage audio? Well, we do dip our toes into this a bit. There are popular speaker crossover replacements for the DYI crowd. But, these fall sonically short of their contemporary "high end" counterparts. The automotive equivalent of replacing a 2 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold with a 4 BBL carb on a cast iron manifold -- while keeping the original single exhaust system intact. We can do simple mods to improve the sonics -- like upgrading an original power cord that you wouldn’t want to use on a 2-splice toaster, much less a high-current amplifier. The really smart guys need to come to the rescue for true audiophile grade solutions.

Understandably there has to be a "high give a s--- factor" related to this. The speed parts industry is fueled by a wildly enthusiastic crowd while vintage audio owners are, like: "whatever". So, the chances of a superb $5k amp/preamp module that drops into a Marantz 1060 chassis and slays any modern gear near it’s price point may not be coming to a town near you anytime soon.

I think this can be incremental if we put our minds and wallets to it. You "car guys" know there are 3 basic types of collector cars. "Showroom stock" represents as close as possible the vehicle as it rolled off the assembly line. "Personalized" generally follows a stock appearance with performance and cosmetic improvements. Generally speaking, the car can be reverted to showroom stock at some point the future. All the original parts are carefully cataloged and placed in safe storage. "Modified" has the appearance of a race car, and performs like one. Often modifications to metal are performed, and in some cases there’s no going back. We can follow similar guidelines as well. We understand the motivation to keep things "stock". We can also understand the audiophiles that love their vintage gear would be open to the concept of a significantly better listening experience while maintaining a stock appearance and functionality. Chopping up an Auburn is a really bad idea. But, upgrading the input terminals on an integrated amplifier may be highly palatable for those cherished collectables.

I also get it that the ROI would be questionable. An amp that has a current market value of $2k with $5k worth of mods might still be worth $2k -- or less.

What say you?

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Showing 4 responses by danager

Fastest Car is a Netflix original series refutes that assumption. (Spoiler) Not only did the supercar beat the vintage, the driver just pushed the launch button, put his foot to the floor and watched pro drivers in his mirror.  The vintage cars were also more temperamental, required teams of mechanics to keep them running and aesthetically challenged. Not only that but the super car can drive the twisty road home with no issues.  My other question is why would you autocross a "sport sedan"?  How does the Malibu compete with the Lotus?

So how does that relate to audio?  Keeping a 40 year old SUMO Class A amp in peak condition isn't for the faint of heart.  The simplicity of of a Western Electric 300B amplifier is appealing but can it really compete with some of the cost no object amps of today?  This also applies to turntables and cartridges and even speakers.  Altec VOTTs may be the coolest thing out there (my wife doesn't agree)  but there are better sounding speakers.  I personally would choose vintage over the new but I'm not deluded enough to think it's the best available. 

 

 

@waytoomuchstuff I appreciate the response but the real answer is you can't make a classic outperform today's cars or a vintage stereo outperform todays HIFI.  Sure a  car exists that can run sub 7 second quarters and be "street legal" but not in California.  How many can compete at Nuremberg?  Would it hold together in the Race across America.  No.  A sub 7 second car has a lifespan of hours if that.  

Can I use vintage equipment and create a bass response that would compete with the best, sure.  If that's all you cared about and money was no object. I'm also sure you could take a vintage Macintosh and it could be altered by replacing everything transformers, capacitors, resistors,  connecting wire, tube sockets and output connectors it could compete but it's no longer is really a classic is it?  A sub 7 second street car built with original components now that would be something but in the 70s  all out prostock quarter mile times were 6 1/2 seconds so using modern components and achieving that level of performance is impressive but just think what could have been achieved if they had started with a modern Corvette.

The joy of a classic car or a vintage stereo isn't in the performance figures but in the pleasure of experiencing what was the best 50 years ago and realizing that on the freeway or in the listening chair they're still pretty darn good. 

 

@crustycoot  Careful what you wish for.  We have neither enough the raw materials required to make enough batteries or the power grid to charge them to replace gas powered cars.  The global drought is almost at a tipping point where hydro electric dams won't have enough water to turn the turbines.  The alternative then is gas or coal powered power plants which will pollute more than the cars they replace.  Hydrogen power cells and nuclear power plants are at this time the best viable alternative to gas powered cars but  even if we started today it's doubtful we could upgrade the grid and manufacture enough of the components to meet the the  deadline.

@ketchup Did ya read the whole thing or just cherry pick the line. If you can show me a 70s era classic that run a sub 10 second quarter, have a top speed of over 180 miles and hour and brake 60 to 0 in less than 110 ft, pull over a 1 G on a figure 8 using 70s era components and is street legal in California running unleaded I’ll agree whole heartedly. Until then buckle up and trust your airbag