WARNING - USE UPS FOR SHIPPING RATHER THAN FEDEX


Just a bit of advice for those shipping heavy items to buyers.

FedEx has indicated that it is their policy NOT TO REIMBURSE shippers / buyers for the damage to the container of a shipment - you must replace the container at your own cost.  

UPS has confirmed that it is their policy TO REIMBURSE shippers / buyers for the damage to the container of a shipment - provided you provide sufficient proof of loss.  

This happened to me this week.  FedEx destroyed an expensive box containing an amplifier I purchased on Audiogon.  The shipper filed the claim for replacement of the box, which cost $150 from the manufacturer, and FedEx denied the claim - because they do not insure the container - ONLY THE CONTENTS.  The shipper had foolproof proof of loss.  Yet FedEx would not reimburse him.  The shipper did have a new box sent to me - but, he had to absorb the entire cost of the damage caused by FedEx.  

The only recourse the buyer has is to simply "reject" the shipment and FedEx will return it to the seller at the seller's cost.  In this instance, I conferred with the shipper, and he decided to have me accept the shipment and he would replace the box.  But... it was a costly lesson.  

This is the socond time this has happened to me - FedEx has damaged a container, during shipment.  So - it is a frequent enough occurence that it will be my policy in the future to ship only via UPS.  
bassdude

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And, oh yes...

8.  Should take pics of any package received with any outside damage and refuse shipment - don't accept package and expect to file a claim after accepting it to be honored / paid by shipper.  
I think you both missed the point.

The point is... the FedEx policy vs that of UPS.  UPS policy does reimburse the shipper for damage to the container... and... FedEx policy does not.  

How much simpler can I make it.  

It has nothing to do with what you "think," or what you "prefer."  

Both companies honor their insurance of contents... but... only UPS does so with regard to the container.

So, if you don't want to incur the cost to replace the container... then... only UPS will insure it and replace it.  

The rest is moot.
No doubt the only safe way to ship "high-dollar," heavy, bulky equipment is SBA or BAX - forget about FedEx and UPS.

They may be fine for smaller, less expensive shipments, but not for "the good stuff."

See the "Amps Forum" post by someone who is far more experienced and knowledgeable than anyone posting above.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/warning-use-ups-for-shipping-rather-than-fedex

Wow... when I started this thread... I had no idea it would elicit all of these great incidents and suggestions of how to prevent destruction of your shipment by FedEx and UPS.

Keep em’ comin’

But... in the meantime... give us the link to where / how to get "nylon strapping / tensioning system."

What we need from this thread is how to prevent damage to expensive equipment, during shipping. That’s not FedEx... or... UPS.

But... it may be SBA or BAX.

I can tell you one thing... I will not... entrust expensive items to either one - FedEx or UPS.

But... maybe... SBA or BAX.

Ooops... I’m repeating myself...

Oh... well... after 4 glasses of an incredible wine - I’m sure you can understand!

Or... I’ll make dam’n sure the seller bears "risk of loss" if shipped via FedEx or UPS.

And... make sure you pay via PayPal / Credit Card - that will reimburse you if you do not receive the shipment undamaged, in the condition described by seller.

These are "no-brainer" suggestions to protect you.

You should do the same.
We checked with an Audio Dealer who ships a lot, and he advised us not to use FedEx, because they do use a lot of poorly trained contract drivers (many who do not speak English and who do not care how they handle shipments - they're much less costly).  UPS does not do that.   

He also advised us to wrap the Mfrs packaging (usually 2 boxes) in bubble wrap, enclosed in additional outer box (3rd box), marked "Fragile, Do Not Stack, Do Not Drop," and insure the item for greater than $5000.  He said UPS uses "special handling" for these packages, because of the increased value and cost if damaged in shipment.  

He advised that other than using a freight carrier (SBA, or DAX) that would be the safest way to ship high value goods.  


Does UPS say they will honor their insurance with no questions... IF... they package them for shipment at their UPS store?  

Just curious if that makes claims simpler to resolve with UPS?

Or FedEx for that matter - if its packaged by the FedEx store?


So... do ShipSurance or GRS have any particular requirements to must meet to obtain their insurance?  

How do they get comfortable with your shipment in order to issue the coverage?

Have you ever used SBA or BAX?
Many of the comments above (especially those from dealers and frequent shippers), have provided me a good education regarding how best to ship packages safely without damage, and to assure claims are honored by shipping companies - will be very beneficial in the future to avoid issues.  
And... I guess to summarize it appears the following may be beneficial:

1.  Should triple box - mfrs double box should be wrapped in some cushion material and enclosed in another box without mfrs labels on the outside box.  

2.  Should strap and tape the straps of the outside box.

3.  Should take pics of the contents, packing process, and finished package.

4.  Should have UPS or FedEx store inspect the packaging and complete the packaging with the final outside box to obtain their comfort and assurance any claims will be honored.

5.  Should insure package for $5000+, to assure package receives special handling by shipping company.  

6.  Should consider using SBA or BAX for shipping large, heavy, high-value contents - because they use special freight handling to assure no damage in transit... and... they honor their claims.

7.  Should consider using a 3rd party, independent shipping insurance company, such as ShipSure to assure claims are paid - Must meet their packaging requirements (most of which are included above).  

Think this reflects most of the advice from the experienced shippers.