halcroI
dislike parallel trackers. Not as a matter of preference (although the
Air Tangent had serious problems) but more for their aesthetic demands ... @halcro that's what I mean by preference. Judging by aesthetics is very much a subjective preference. I don't find that objectionable at all.
I've never been a big fan of parallel trackers, either, although some have been better than others. In most cases, I think the cure is worse than the disease. |
billstevenson09-08-2017 12:01am ... it is becoming
obvious that you are ignorant of the scientific method. What I offered
were several indirect proofs that unipivot arms perform well ... You
claim to know what you are doing, but this belies that claim ... Your "proof" is not
science. It is worthless.
... are you
advocating the elimination of free choice in our musical enjoyment?... It is
becoming clear that you are on a one man quest for something that a) is
not practical and cannot be obtained ... and it would not be viable even if achievable because as
audiophiles we are all a bunch of free spirits who happily want to go
our own way, make our own choices ... This is very well stated, Bill, but I'm sorry to say it won't enlighten Raul. He insists on his own version of "facts" that are exclusive to him; anyone's assertion that is in conflict with his "facts" is dismissed with a wave of his hand.
Let's return to the topic of this thread: The OP got great results by adding a second pivot to his VPI 3D arm. He wrote:
discovering my old records anew
Making a system change that yields this kind of result is not an uncommon audiophile experience. Indeed, it is part of what keeps many of us so involved in this hobby. But Raul cannot accept the OP's premise, because he thinks this type of arm is inherently flawed and not on his list of approved technologies. Raul has other favored technologies, and other technologies he dismisses as inherently inferior.
And ... here's the oddest thing about this thread. I share Raul's distaste for unipivot arms. But because Raul thinks I dislike unipivots for the wrong reason, he seeks to engage in endless debate with the intent of establishing his superior expertise.
I dislike unipivots as a matter of preference. Raul dislikes them as a matter of religion, and has stated here that we should not engage our preferences. It is futile to argue with someone who harbors such fervor in their convictions, so it's easiest to simply ignore Raul and his taunts, the worst of which are thankfully deleted by the moderators. |
billstevenson... may I suggest that we agree that there is no one, single, absolute "right" way to do anything in audio ... Of course you may suggest that, and I’d agree. The problem is that there are some self-appointed "experts" here who insist that their version of "The Truth" and "The Facts" are so infallible as to render our preferences invalid. These are people who - notwithstanding their efforts to portray themselves as intellectuals and visionaries - are actually idiots. What’s sad is that they don’t realize just how foolish they look. This thread’s topic is about how adding a second pivot to a VPI 3D arm produced great results for the OP. It’s interesting how this simple audiophile experience disturbs those whose version of the Truth just can’t even imagine anyone being happy with such an arm in the first place. |
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Ad hominem attack, a classic logical fallacy. Raul must be v-e-r-y frustrated today. Another example of why it's fruitless to debate with our little Raul.
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folkfreakTo summarize @rauliruegas lengthy, incomprehensible and misspelled post
"I imagine myself as the cartridge tracking the record and I thereby know unipivots cannot work" That's a fair summary. I would only add that Raul asserts his claims as "facts" and when pressed for proof, basically just repeats the assertion. Yet he demands rigorous proof from anyone else who cites a fact. So it's impossible to have a meaningful discussion with him, which is why I've given up.
It's plain to see that Raul is wrong about unipivot pickup arms. I share his distaste for them. The difference is only that I consider it a preference. I'm not trying to convince anyone that "facts" support my preference, or that I have some special understanding of how they function. |
billstevensonThis
is a response to Raul's contention that there is a "problem" with
unipivot tonearms ... It falls far short of
proof in any scientific sense that a problem exists with unipivot
tonearms. Yes they wobble a bit at first drop, but stabilize very
quickly ... Properly set up, the ability of any given
cartridge to track well is not noticeably different when mounted in a
unipivot tonearm. This can be heard and observed using an
oscilloscope. That is a fact. Cross talk for any given cartridge is
not measurably diminished based on two arms of comparable quality, one
double gimbal type vs. a unipivot. That is a fact. As any stylus wears
I have carefully observed the patterns of wear for cartridges mounted
on quality arms of various designs and have not observed any aberrations
in wear patterns that resulted from unipivot arms. This has been done
using a Herr-Wildbrugg microscope, Model M3 or M5 starting in 1975 or
1976. That is a fact ... there is no inherent problem with
unipivot tonearms. They are different and not to eveyones' liking, but
functionally they are fine. If you don't like them, don't use one, but
you have no cause to malign the design. Bill, I couldn't agree with you more. I have heard some outstanding unipivot arms - truly exquisite - and Raul's insistence that there are "facts" that make them inherently flawed is just nonsense. There are reasons that unipivots endure in the marketplace, and performance is certainly one of them.
Nevertheless, I admit that I really don't care for unipivot arms and for that reason I've never owned one. It's a tactile thing with me; they just don't inspire confidence and don't exude the precision that I expect of a fine pickup arm. I've always indulged that preference, as I have my other audiophile preferences. The difference between Raul and me is that I don't insist that "facts" support my choice. It's just a preference. I don't feel obligated to convince the world that "facts" support my choice. |
tomwhWhen people start talking absolutes in this hobby, it tells you something Agreed ... absolutely! ; | |
