Vinylistas and Tubers - One and the same?


I am curious to see if I am in the small minority of Goners who listen exclusively to vinyl (or who have some digital source they use only when the can't get the album on a vinyl new release or reasonably priced in NM condition) and use solid state amps and phono stage. My reasons are I've been building my vinyl collection for the past 40+years, interrupted by the 10-15 years when vinyl wasn't being produced or distributed much in the US from the late 80's until the early 2000's and think it sounds better than CDs - never tried hi rez DLs or streaming, and I don't want to deal with the cost, inconvenience, unreliability (compared to SS) or heat of tubes. 

Please let me know if this describes you and your reasons.

Also, interested in the logic of those who use tubes and listen to digital.

Don't really need to hear from the digital SSers or the vinyl tubers unless your reasons are not obvious (either wanting no noise and maximum selection or like the full sound of vinyl with mid range emphasis and tube mellowness and are willing to pay the price).


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I have collected vinyl since the late 60’s. When digital came out, I added it as a sometimes used medium. But vinyl was so superior. I started with solid state… but eventually was able to upgrade my Threshold preamp to a tubed Audio Research preamp… fundamental movement towards much better sound. Tubes l reserved for preamps as they last a long time, not much heat. Then added a tubed phono stage… great positive effect.

Finally a couple years ago I added a tubed amp. Audio Research finally put biasing under microprocessor control and lengthened the tube life to around 3,000 hour. Wow, why had I waited? The sound profoundly better. It I had to do it over, I would have made the switch decades ago. My reasons for not switching were the same as yours. In retrospect the reasons were smaller than I perceived. The final huge upgrade for me was adding a tubed DAC… End to end tubes can be very synergistic. I had a tubed CD player earlier which made CDs listenable but at a huge loss of detail.

I made many runs at digital… good audiophile quality CD… then DACs. I did this on my main system and my headphone system which frequently served as my research lab (tried dozens of components). Over the last thirty years the improvement has been continuous and over the last ten years there has been so much progress that digital can now be as satisfying as analog but at about 15% - %20 initial higher cost. This cost premium drops a little ever year. My current streaming vs vinyl ends are equally satisfying… the analog end has a tiny bit more detail… tiny. I have 2,000 vinyl albums. And virtually an infinite amount of music available via streaming. So honestly, although the initial cost is a bit higher… the nearly infinite available music at no cost favors streaming.



I have very good components… but the difference is similar across the high end cost spectrum given choosing compatible and complimentary components (the same exact challenge across the high end systems of any kind).


So, it I had to choose between getting rid of my analog end or digital… I would definitely loose the analog end. It has taken 35 years to get here.
OMG, Columbia Record Club… I think I joined that in 1967… while in high school. Got a bunch of albums I didn’t like… but my parents probably would have.

OP,

 

I have always considered the component first... what does it sound like, how will it fit in my audio chain. I would have purchased wax cylinders and networked organic amplifiers if they sounded better. I couldn’t care less about the technology. But, over fifty years I have more and more chosen tube equipment for the sound quality in the price category... and at this point I am in the $20K per component category. I could buy anything I wanted in that price category and I chose tube... not for the technology, but for the sound.

 

As far as vinyl. Same deal, I have always focused on the best sound source. It has always been vinyl. Still is, in the same price bracket. Finally after 30 years of digital, it can be similarly satisfying (although not quite as detailed) but I have over $10K extra invested in my digital end to get there ($46K digital vs $36K analog end).

 

I am pretty sure 90% of the people posting are primarily driven by best sound... and then secondary thinking the technology they chose was responsible for it (rightly or wrongly). Understanding the relationship of sound quality and the system that produced it is very difficult, it requires tremendous analytical ability, skill, and common sense. The people posting here are generally well meaning, however, at least half them have no idea what is going on, simply that they like their system and recommend what they bought. I have spent thousands of hours in pursuit of assembling a truly great system. Wonderful pursuit.,