Vintage worth the time to explore?


I’m relatively new to this world (very fast learner) and would love to know your thoughts:

I have a pair of Elac Debut 6.2 and Klipsch KG3s….I drive them both with a Marantz PM6005 and have been relatively happy but sound really loses its warmth and color unless played LOUD. With 3 kids under 5 I’m looking for an amp to help provide warm, full sound at lower dBs.

I’ve been super curious about exploring other amp options and wanted to explore the vintage route (Marantz 2230, Sansui AU 717, Pioneer SA-8500)… but after seeing prices between 800-2k for 50 year old gear, I’m apprehensive.

Am I just lured by the idea of vintage?

butche34

Showing 2 responses by kokakolia

@butche34 I doubt you’ll necessarily get significantly more warmth out of a vintage amp. Most amps just sound "neutral"-ish. Intentionally warm amps aren’t really thing. You want the amp to get out of the way. Reviewers compare and contrast different amps, so differences are exaggerated. You could add a tube pre-amp or play with EQ presets to add "warmth". I don’t have much experience with that.

I’m sort of an audio newbie as well. I dipped my toes with a overpriced poorly built buzzing tube amplifier, a dirt cheap 10W Tripath class D mini amp and a dirt cheap vintage Continental Edison PA 9109. They all sound pretty similar with my speakers (Closer Acoustics Ogy).

The Marantz PM6005 is simply great and not worth upgrading.

Re: vintage amps. They’re so affordable if you know where to look: thrift stores, local classfields, flea markets, garage sales etc... Be warned that the condition will be rather ’poor’: dusty circuit boards and you’ll have to replace a bunch of transistors. So contact a local hi-fi repair shop and they’ll definitely guide you in the right direction or fix your amp like new for $100 or less. Or you could buy an old refurbished amp from a pro for $200 with a 3 month warranty.

I bought a dusty Continental Edison PA9109 (20W AB amplifier) for 40€ from a local ad. It’s a pretty unremarkable amp on paper. The amp stopped working after 1 month. I went to a local Hi-Fi repair shop and got my unit refurbished for 84€. The shop owner told me that he replaced at least half of the transistors and he cleaned the inside really well. I would do it all over again. 124€ for an amp is a steal. If it stops working in a decade or two I’ll just get it fixed again.

Unfortunately, the internet hyped up the good overbuilt, over-performing models from Pioneer, Sansui, Harmon Kardon, B&O, Marantz, Luxman etc... So you’ll be stuck with run-of-the-mill brands like Kenwood, Technics etc... in the < $200 range. Or spend $600~$800 on the ’good’ stuff.

And I doubt that there will be a significant difference with your Marantz PM6005.

Absolutely!! My Continental Edison PA 9109 only outputs 25W. So potential buyers are totally turned off and the prices dip. Prices double or triple when you hit 50W. 

My 25W amp is more than powerful enough to blow up my bookshelf speakers. And I get more bass compared to my 10W Tripath mini amp.