I don't own either (I have Treo's), but I am very familiar with both. The big differences you should hear are in the openness as well as the smoothness of the sound. It's just much more refined with better staging and imaging. To me if you are able to afford the Carbon's or an upgrade (if you are an original owner), then it's worth it. Let us know what you think once you do it. |
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Sorry Johnny, lol. Mr. m He's in Verona, NJ....I'm in CT, but travel down there and have been more than happy with everything. He's as good a dealer as I've met and I've been in this hobby since '69..... good luck... |
Wife is from Wisc and heading out there today. Great state. Glad you got the Treo CT's..You will love them. I'm surprised he thinks the added subs are better, but I can understand that as you can position them anywhere. I was told by a few folks who should know that the Quatro CT's would still be better than adding the subs to the Treo's. Every system and room will be different. Bottom line is that you will be very very happy and that's all that counts. Where is your dealer from? Hope they are close and can set them up for you. Once you get them dialed in, your head should spin. The better my system gets, the better the speakers sound. I'm in amazement what that Ayre AX5/20 did. Please keep us in formed as you go through delivery, set up and break in. |
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M, very cool. I haven't been to that dealer yet. I'm sure I will on my next trip back to Wisc though. Wife has a ton of good friends where you live. She sells insurance and still keeps a ton of clients in Wisc.
Fun being in a thread where folks 'get' how good Vandy's really are. I see so many chase their tails and most of my Vandy friends just upgrade within the line. You really do hear the differences. The Rogue, Quicksilver, NAD, Ayre, Aethetix and AR gear are all sold at the Vandy shops. All have a great rep for not just sound, but also companies who stand behind their amps. Richard does a great job at getting good stores to carry his gear. |
I have the Aesthetix phono stage that I just hooked up, but I don't have the CT version Treo's. They sound GREAT together. |
??? Not sure what you are saying. Who? What? Thanks. |
It may be off the Metaphor site or something. He has to sell to eat still as do all the people who are in audio from journalists to any merchant. We all know that and it's why we need to listen before buying isn't it? Every Vandy dealer personally sells other lines. I went to Johnny even though he was so far away from me for Proacs. I didn't want Vandy's at the time, but one listen and I wanted more. I think there are different speakers for everyone and these threads all prove that. He does like Vandersteen and he's sincere, but some folks need for him to sell their older gear in order to purchase new gear be it VAndy's or something else. At least he listens to those of us who go see him and I know for a fact that other Vandy dealers do the same as I have been to their stores. I just wasn't sure what you were trying to say. Thanks for the clarity. :) |
What? Shakey, are you joking around or being serious? It's called an ad. Go speak with Johnny in his shop sometime and you'll understand he cares about you getting the sound YOU want. Are you saying that the speaker company has a poorly worded ad? If so, that's on them and not a dealer trying to sell used gear so he can make a living with sites like this biting into his bottom line. What part was misleading to you? I asked a few folks who aren' audiophiles what they thought the ad meant and they fully got it. The ONLY reason for ads is to get your name out and let folks know what they can get. Seems like AC surely did that doesn't it?
Shakey, have you ever run a dealership in audio or a business in general? I think it's funny that you are trying to make something out of nothing. In regards to John Rutan, there are hundreds of very happy customers and personally I've never heard one bad word about the guy and how he conducts himself as a business or a man! Love a bit of spice with my tea (Green tea with strawberries today). Tasting great as I listen to Slash kill it in Glastonbury 40. Loving my system and I have John to thank for the Vandersteen Treo's, Ayre AX5/Twenty, with AQ cables. Rock still lives in THIS house.....Back to loving our music!!!!! Enough with trying to discredit a simple ad by an honest business man and a GREAT human being......Richard V sure picks some great humans to share his wonderful products....
Johnny, thanks for the honestly of liking the 2c's best. |
No Shakey, you aren't getting one over my head. it's not a love fest when you stick up for someone who deserves it now is it? What part is over my head? Your taking a shot at someone who didn't deserve it? Since everyone likes different things folks can say that 21 different speakers are BEST. That's why folks should listen to speakers to know what they want.
Your last post seems a bit condescending doesn't it? I FULLY get what you are trying to do as does everyone else, lol. It just doesn't fly, that's all. John was stand up enough to say what he meant and was honest as heck. Can't ask for more than that and that's why there is a 'love fest'. Honestly is greatly appreciated.
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Shake, if you ever followed my posts, I too didn't love the older Vandy's. I just didn't' get them. I went to Audio Connection and met Johnny. I was there to purchase the Proacs D series and ended up listening (reluctantly) to the Treo's. He had me after that. I was in SHOCK that they could not only sound like real music, but also could image, stage and do all those high end things folks want to hear. They were emotional and that's what I wanted. Do yourself a favor and go listen to the CT series. Pretty amazing speakers for the cost. |
You have great speakers and I love hearing that you are happy. It's not about money, it's about being happy and listening to the music you love. I go listen to everything I can, so that I know what's going on. I love to keep up on equipment, but I also lean about new music to listen to. Nothing wrong with blissful ignorance at times. |
