Vandersteen 2ce questions


I have been upgrading my system over the past few months. My newest upgrade is some older Vandy 2Ce speakers(not sigs) replacing my little Jamo E855s. My system is now NAD c370, Musical Fidelity Tri-Vista DAC, and Yamaha dvds-1800 as a transport.I know its nothing special compared to people's systems on Audiogon, but I'm a single parent and my budget is low enough to be almost non-existant. I am wondering if I'm doing something wrong with the Vandys. The lierature that came with them says they go to true 30hz, but they dont have the bass slam that my little jamos do. I've moved them all over the romm(about15x23). Wood floors with nothing on the sides and about 24 inches behind them.I wanna love these as they cost me more than everything else put together. I'm really pleased with the mids and highs, and get ALOT more detail from these than the jamos. I just want more bass and cant really use a sub because I'm in a townhome. Any advice for this newbie?
biffrythm

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Thanks, Dan.
Corner doesnt really work because the side of the room they are on has a stairway onening on one side and would cover the heating vent on the other. The manual says most living spaces are not ideal for best sound. Mr vandersteen has my room pegged. I actually moved them farther out from the wall to about 3 feet. This has helped. I'm getting low end ,but not what other speakers have provided. I'll keep fine tuning as the detail, mids and highs are nothing short of magical. Been playing music constantly since I got these yesterday.
I have them bi-wired with Audioquest cables. The man who sold them to me supplied them.
I may have judged them too quickly. My jamos with 2 5 and a 1/2 in drivers produced room shaking bass on most everything. Since I moved these out from the wall more, I'm getting beeter bass response. I don't know if I'm getting 30hz in my room, but I just listened to Tom Waits' Mule Variations and it was pretty massive sounding. Now I'm playing Gorillaz' 1st and it is hitting pretty low.Maybe just more revealing of the recordings than I've experienced in the past. The cars 1st album did not have the low end I got with the jamos. Playing them a little louder than I normally listen makes them come alive more as well.
Its funny because I've been reading Audioreview and the folks either say massive bass, or no bass. They also said to live with them awhile and their strengths become more in focus. I am experiencing that. The fact that I have not stopped playing them is a good sign. Watching football with the sound down.
Great advice. I havent done anything with the tilt as the stands were alreadt attached. I like them better about 3 and half feet from the rear wall. I don't really know what more power will do since I'm only using about 20 to 25 percent of the volume control as it is. They're plenty loud. It may just be a mid-base hump that I'm used to. I'll look at setting the tilt and see if that helps. I really like everything about them except the amount of low end.
I plan to do all the measuring from the manual this weekend. I have move them closer together. I rolled the highs and mids back one knotch and it's getting there. I get some low notes, they are not the volume of the mids and highs. I will keep at it.
I am going to do the proper set up this weekend. My daughters are at their mothers for the weekend. Good news is I am getting low tones now, so set-up seems to be the issue. The bass does seem to be at a lower volume than the rest of the frequency range. Not at all detached, like I've heard in other speakers, but subdued. I'm not a headbanger at all. I'm 46 so even the heavy metal of my youth is classic rock now. I listen to rock, blues, country, and reggae. And I do like these speakers. Best of ever owned. Only issue is bass, and it may simply be that I was used to the mid-bass hump. I love everything else about them and am even getting used to the subdues bass.I like them more every day. I'll do a proper set-up per the manuel and enjoy. Thanks for all the advice, everyone
UPDATE: After much work measuring my room(little smaller than my estimate) I have mondo BASS. Sounds great and am VERY happy I splurged on these monsters. Thanks again for everyone's help. Damn glad I found this site.
It was mostly a placement issue. A friend came over that has owned 2Ce sigs for years. He did the lions share of the placement. After that I was getting great deep lows, but not at the volume of the mids and highs. I rolled the mid and high levels back to -2db and engaged the tone stack on my NAD C370. The controls are still flat but the bypass is no longer engaged. I am damn satisfied with the sound I'm getting.
The speakers themselves don't seem that far off from where I finally had them. Just a little but they are tilted back a little further.
Also must admit to phase issues. I don't know how, though. the cables are Audioquest bi-wire(1 set of bananas on amp end, and 2 at speakers). My buddy unplugged treble on speakers and the lows didnt sound too low. He then unplugged the red and switched it with the other red and the lows were much deeper. then hooked up the treble again. I don't know how this would cause phase issues as the black still went to black at all points, but It was not a subtle change.