Using tube amp with electrostatic speakers.

I know this is an old thread but it has some very useful information.  I have a question from reading the thread that I hope someone could answer.  Assuming you have an electrostatic speaker that varies in impedance from 2 to 16 ohms (hypothetical 2 ohm hf 16 ohm lf) and you have a tube amplifier with 2, 4, and 8 ohm taps.  Are you better off setting the tube amplifier to the 2 ohm tap to drive the high frequency.  What would be the tradeoff in this scenario for the spectrum at much higher impedance.  Would there be an issue/tradeoff at low frequency (lf) if you used an autoformer and it boosted the impedance at low frequency much higher.

Regards,
Gary

Normally you would use a higher tap. This is assuming the amplifier uses loop negative feedback, which most do.

The feedback will help the amp to boost its output into the lower impedance. Since there is almost nothing for power requirements, it should be able to do this easily. So its really whether you use the 4 or 8 ohm tap and I would start with the 8 ohm tap.

Ralph-  I've been using a MacIntosh MC275 with a set of custom Quad 2805's-  the chinese panels are not well made and I had Kent McCollum rebuild using UK-produced 63 panels, then add all his upgrades. Measurements on the Quad 63 & 2805 show 4 ohm as the low impedance. Measurements on the MC275 show good linearity and very low distortion (for a tube amp) when using a tap where the load equals or is higher than the tap utilized. While I originally ran the Quads at 8 ohms, I switched to the 4 ohm tap and it is very nice. I crossover at the appropriate point for the Quads and supplement the bottom with a Velodyne SW. The PA is a one-off SS design which is very clean and has almost nothing in the signal path- made by Ron Sutherland for me. Does the 4 ohm tap in this case make sense to you?

BTW, I have an unusual collection of ELS's including the original ML CLS pair. I don't mean one of the production models, I mean the original prototypes. Gayle Sanders voiced these to match a set of contemporary STAX ELS headphones as closely as possible. They really are spectacular but a difficult load to say the least. The production models were tamed down and never sounded as good at the original prototypes. Back in the day, I drove them with a Yamaha B-1, a rare beast that could handle very difficult loads and was quite an amp in the late 70's-  all vertical Static Induction Transistors in the output stages.  Speaking of Stax's, I also have a pair of 8x's- another superb and very rare electrostatic. 

Gary Osoba

I realize this is an old thread but it has a lot of information related to the issues of using a tube amp with electrostatic speakers.  I have a question related to the information provided.  It seems the issue is the impedance variation from high frequency hf (low impedance) to low frequency lf (high impedance) of an electrostatic speaker.  SS amps output a voltage for a given input so they will emphasize the hf vs the lf at a given power output because of the impedance variation of the electrostat over the audio spectrum.  From what I gather tube amps deliver constant power over the spectrum but you can be limited at low impedance (if the amp can't drive the load) or at high impedance if the output voltage does not swing high enough.  Please let me know if my understanding is incorrect.
Should you always use the lowest tap on your amplifier (e.g. 2, 4, 8 ohms) corresponding to the lowest impedance of the electrostat?  What is the trade off at low frequency high impedance using the 2 ohm tap.  If you went with the autoformer and it gives you the ability to drive the 2 ohm load what is the tradeoff at low frequency high impedance (e.g. driving 30 or 60 ohms).  Any insight would be appreciated. 

Best Regards,
Gary

It may seem that I am trying to avoid your actual question, but that is not the case, really.  First, most transformer-coupled tube amplifiers provide a choice of 4, 8, or 16 ohm taps, not 2, 4 and 8 ohms.  Second, the very low impedance at very high frequencies exhibited by an ESL is not so much of a problem for the amplifier, because very little energy is required at those high frequencies.  (For example, I made impedance vs frequency curves for my Sound Lab ESLs after eliminating the crossover components; impedance does not drop off significantly until 5kHz and goes to 2 ohms only above 10kHz. But every ESL will be different from every other one, in this respect.) I suggest that you try each pair of output taps for yourself and see what you prefer.  There is no right or wrong answer to your question, except to say that most amplifier energy will be required in the bass and midrange frequencies.

Nordicnorm, M-L candidly admits that they design their speakers to favor SS amplifiers.  (See also my post of 11-02-16.) This means that there is circuitry at the input that dramatically lowers the impedance seen by the amplifier, well below the native impedance of the speaker itself.  Thus your finding is not surprising. This is why I sold my last pair of M-L ESLs about 20 years ago and never looked back.  No way I would give up my OTL tube monoblocks just to suit one particular speaker.