Update on VPI and classic rock lps


Well, after listening for a few days with further tweaks, I can report the Scoutmaster can play classic rock lps.

I have played quite a few of the lps I previously complained about being overly compressed and lifeless. The improvement with these tweaks is much larger than I would have expected.

Changes:
1. I had my amp on BDR cones, switched to two sets of Aurios Pro Max. Much more air and spaciousness, and at the same time more detail and precision, less smearing.
2. Thread drive on Scoutmaster. More impact, dynamics improved, again more precision, less smearing.
3. Cayin phono came with the metal shrouded tube dampers with springs. Took those tube dampers off, replaced with Herbies. Wow, opened up the sound by a large margin! Those metal cages were obviously damping down the sound something terrible.

Taken together, these three changes have allowed me to enjoy my large collection of classic rock lps again! I'm still looking for a bit more bass impact, and there is a bit of hardness in the mids and lower highs. I suspect a change to Mullard 12ax7's from the present Sovteks will alleviate that bit of dryness. As for bass impact, I'm still trying to figure that one out.

At last I'm hearing at least a bit of that magic I remember from back in the day, when listening to these records on my Dynaco system. I suspect a whole lot more of these recording are going to prove to be satisfying in the future!

I guess I have to eat crow now, I may have mislead some in criticizing these recordings. I now realize they weren't as bad as I believed. Sometimes even an old dog can learn new tricks, and I haven't even listened to my good recordings with the new setup!
sns

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Tabl10s questions why I have my amp sitting on a combo of Aurios, sorbothane and BDR pucks on bricks.

That picture (in my system listing) was taken previous to my latest tweaks. The amp's four outboard legs now sit on 2 Aurios Pro Max (rear legs) and 2 Finite Elemente Cerapucs (front legs), these sit on the amp platform, the platform's spikes sit on 4 Aurios Pro Max, these sit on about 70lbs of brick. The reasoning and listening tests that went into this:
My system is situated on suspended flooring, any and all equipment stands spiked directly to this floor create an overly resonant sound, mushy bass, smeared and confused mids and highs, squashed macro and micro dynamics. I now have most of my system (exception of amp and tt setup[on wall shelves]) on a large concrete platform that weighs, probably, 400-500lbs (was a fireplace threshold), this has markedly improved the sound. Much more articulation throughout frequency spectrum, greater spaciousness, air, increased detail, transparency, and macro and micro dynamics. The amp, due to space constraints has to go on a seperate brick platform, thus only about 70 lbs of cement. This has the exact same sonic benefits for the amp. Eventually, I will get a larger, heavier concrete pad for the amp as well, expect more of the same benefits listed above.

As for the Aurios/Finite Elemente combo. I've found these add another level of the sonic benefits listed above, spiking directly to concrete and/or using other isolation devices dampens the sound to some degree. The only reason I have the two Cerapucs, is that the Aurios come in sets of three, I now have two sets, I need eight individual Aurios. I've been slowly introducing these in order to determine sonic benefits, another set is on the way as we speak. Eventually, I will be trying the Aurios under the other three racks in my system (between the bottom spikes and concrete slab), I expect the same sonic benefits here.
Islandmandan, the Dynavector XX-2 is at the top of my list for further upgrades. Both you and Tvad mention the MintLP, I will go with this as well, can't hurt to have cartridge setup exact as possible.

As for the springs under the Bright Star, I may go with this, or I might go with Aurios Pro Max. I suspect the benefits are similar, I just think the Pro Max would be more stable, my setup on springs scares me a little bit.

Speaking of Dave, I'm in the process of working with him on building the Superbam SLA battery mod for my Merlins. I expect this will be major upgrade!
OK Dave, you've convinced me to go with the springs.

Islandmandan, glad you reminded me of cutting the Bright Star plinth, forgot about that one.
Ehaller, that is a damn good album, I'll have to search to see if I have it. I still have about half my albums (aprox. 1,000) in storage, I hand clean each thoroughly, a very time consuming project, hard to even get 100 in a full day. I recall seeing some Bad Company, not sure its that first album. With all the lps I have yet to play, or even gotten out, sometimes it seems I have way too much music (at least 5,000 cds as well), some of it may never be listened to again, kind of sad!

As for Bad Company, you should hear the some of the "Free" albums (precursor to Bad Company), the albums, Free, Fire and Water, Highway, Free Live, and even their later albums are damn nice. Some cuts may be the most well recorded rock I've ever heard, transparency in spades, not much reverb, very closely mike, yet sounds awesome! If the Bad Company sounds anything like these it should be a winner.

Just checking those albums, Chris Blackwell produced the first, later on self produced. Chris Blackwell tought these guys a thing or two about sound quality. Remember, Chris is the founder of Island Records, every Island record I've heard has pretty damn good sonics.

SonofJim, I have to listen at least that volume, as my Art Audio doesn't really open up until that volume. SET's in general don't bloom until you hit a certain db.

I suspect I'll still have dogs, my pressings of Roxy Music, not the original ATCO label and Bee Gees, 2 Year On have got to be two of the worst dogs. If these dogs now sound good, I'll have to eat a dog!

By the way, Atmasphere and Tom at Better Records have differing opinions about the sonic merits of various pressings of ELP's first album. I played my orignal Cotillion pressing Thursday night. On Tank there is a bass drum solo that should shake the foundations of your house, my bass was shy there, don't know if its my pressing or my vinyl setup, anyway I definitely need more impact there. Otherwise the album sounded very good, transparent/detailed and nice micro dynamics, not too much compression here.