Underpowered?


Hi guys.  Newbie here asking for advice. 

I recently purchased a pair of B&W 702 Signature (8Ω, 30-300W, 90 dB) to replace my old faithful 683s (8Ω, 20-200W, 90 dB).  I am running them with a McIntosh MA252 (100W into 8Ω, 160W into 4Ω).  I purchased them thinking they would complete my end-game system.  However, my excitement turned into disappointment when I realized the lows were somewhat lacking.  For all their faults, the 683s had a great dynamic low kick (no sub) that I was looking to take one step further.  Unsurprisingly, the highs and mids on the 702s were indeed more detailed and separation was clearer, but I couldn't get over the uninspiring lows.  I found myself listening at higher volumes chasing for that bass oomph.  Neither playing with the EQ at the source nor the amp was satisfactory.  So, I did the research that perhaps I should've done before purchasing the 702s and found out they are quite power hungry despite the specs being similar to the 683s.  I emailed B&W and McIntosh and they agreed the amp is probably underpowered for the 702s.  B&W described the sound of an underpowered speaker as one lacking low response and details, which is spot on. McIntosh suggested the MA352 (200W into 8Ω, 320W into 4Ω).

Of note, I love the MA252 and really wish there was a way to make this work.  I don't need a DAC/streamer/etc so I'm happy to put all my money on better sound vs tech features.  But I also think the speakers sound amazing even when somewhat underpowered and I'm considering upgrading to a MA352, Michi X3, Hegel 390.  Another option could be to get a sub? But I feel that would defeat the purpose of having a 3way standing speaker and then I might as well get a pair of bookshelf speakers (805 D4s, LS50 metas?).

So what do you guys think? Is it normal for a speaker that's rated 30-300W to be underpowered with a 100W amp?? What would you do:

  1. Sell the 702s and look for a better match for my MA252?

  2. Upgrade the MA252 (MA352? Michi X3? NAD 33?)?

  3. Get a subwoofer?

I would really appreciate your thoughts/advice!

dridel

Showing 1 response by daledeee1

The first thing to do is if you have standard wires, you will need a jumper if there is 4 posts and you have 2 wires to connect( plus and minus)

Second, play some music walk around the room.  Do you hear boomy bass in some places and none in others.  Go to the corners, is it boomy there?  If you hear this then you should try moving your speakers around.  I point them right at me and sit back the same distance as the speakers sit apart.  Some speakers only need to be tilted in slightly.

Third, even if the room is not too bad for acoustics, a sub is a real helper here.  Very few speakers go down low enough  in the bass.  Especially, since you said you liked bass.  But you may find once you fix positioning and room problems your speakers are OK.  Try sitting a sub right beside a speaker.  Point it toward you or the wall.  If you have a second sub put it along the wall by you. 

Fourth, you are used to the B&W sound so I would not ditch these speakers...yet.  Same with the amp.  Depends on how loud you like your music.  But amp replacement is after you try a sub.  A powered sub has it's own amp and bass takes the most power, so your 252 may be enough.  Also, less excusion of the woofers reduces distortion of midrange frequencies.

Don't feel bad, they always say build your system around your speakers.  :)