Turnable database with TimeLine

Excellent Post from Dover.
Unfortunately no Audiophile will understand it :-)

Motivated from Peter I tried to make my first Video ever :-)
The first one I made in the evening, the Laser was seen very good but it was too dull overall, so I started a new one in daylight.The file is compressed from optical quality but I think it is ok. The Laser is seen in reality below 2 letters (the "CK") in the name Fruhbeck. I stopped after 2 minutes, I wanted to avoid the make the file too huge but the Laser was still below these 2 letters after 5 minutes. That's ok I think :-)
The most other turntables I checked with that unit were out of specs after 5 seconds

Seiki RX5000

Well, I think, we all do us a favor to say, the Timeline is just "another" strobe and has its own faults (which is, of course, wrong). It is super precise, or better said, the best tool today. It measures the REAL speed when the diamond is in the groove. The force (VTF) is remarkable.
The majority of turntables run quite well when the Diamond is Not in the groove, but honestly, who is interested in THAT????
Performance is with tone, not without.
When I did the tests with adjustable motors while playing, and they run out of specs (drift) and then I made the corrections, the difference in sonics is easy to hear. Deeper soundstage, no smeared cynics and much better modulated details.
Today we have two "religions":
The unit "does something", Product A has better bass, Product B is analytic and needs this or that cartridge/Arm for compensation or endless "updates" because the designer is unable to do something right, some call it Prat
or
the "Religion" is based on software reproduction. The emotion is coming from the recording, the purest form of a sonic truth...
"Religion 1" is"keep the business alive
"Religion 2" is "done right"

I thought, this is a Database with Timeline and not a Database of "Turntable Owners Mystery Collection"?
To write somerhing useful for readers, the Kuzma "Reference" runs also with wrong Speed (too fast)....the search goes on :-)

Lew, the Kuzma was (or is) too fast anyway, be it with needle in the groove or not...and Halcro, well he is a guy who ignores everything he does not want to hear and when you read 2 sentences from him which makes sense, you can bet your car he got it from former member Dertonarm. and this "I don't like Raven nonsense..."...not my problem when he (and others from the Fanboy section) is not able to analyze the own stuff properly. And his Seiki nonsense, compared to that is any Raven a time jump back to stone age...
Wouldn't it be a better idea to spend $400 for a Timeline, and choose a turntable which passes the speed test or is it better to keep the own mediocre unit because it can't be sold properly?
I would buy a better table, but this is of course my opinion :-)

01-17-14: Lewm
Tony, According to others, the laser flashes 6 times per revolution. That means you can get a read-out every 0.3 seconds. So you are indeed "averaging" the speed, but it is over a very small increment of time....

Another example, the new Airforce One Turntable from TechDas has 1x contact per revolution with the own motor controller. This seems to be enough to hold the platter speed no matter what is going on. I never checked it but I read from an owner who did the Sutherline Test and it was ok. Personally I believe it because when the Japanese do something serious, they don't make a fault like this.
When timeline has 6 flashes per revolution, it isn't that bad, or?

01-19-14: Peterayer
...If the result is truly as you describe, do you think Syntax would have posted the video for instant criticism?

Could you explain how you conclude that it is the effect of cogging from the same video evidence, especially since Syntax has explained that the effect on the dash line is different when actually observed by the naked eye?

I have taken about five videos of my turntable and the quality of the laser dash appears different in each one depending on lighting, camera angle to the laser dash, distance etc. It is clear to me that the video evidence with an iPhone is far from a perfect method and I think the Micro video was taken with a SLR still camera that also does video.

I did load my very first video at youtube now, the one in the darkness. That one is the one where I thought it is probably too bad from the quality for this Datbase, but here it is clearly to see, that the laser gets the mark in every rotation and another proof of the limit capability of my pocket camera (Canon IXUS) is seen when the Timeline spins and the laser sends the light in the rotation, when the camera get it, it is round of course, but not sharp round, a little bit like an egg from the color light.
Anyway, I saw the original Sutherland video, any video from your thread is easily on par with it. Even in the Sutherland video the length of the laser is not always equal in every rotation but after few revolutions it is always in the same area, too. You got it exactly right when you wrote about the camera recording ability. In reality it is even more clearly to see.

Micro Seiki RX5000 + HS80 Sutherland Timeline