Tube preamp recommendations $3K-$7K range


I am considering replacing my solid state preamp with a tube pre. I plan keep my solid state amp. Also, my DAC/PSU are tubed. Am looking in the $3K-$7K range. Based on reviews and audio forums, I have narrowed my search to the three units below:

PrimaLuna DiaLogue Premium
Backert labs Rhythm or Rhumba Extreme
Modwright LS 36.5

A bit of background: I purchased my Haflers in the mid '80's (!) to replace my venerable Marantz college dorm unit (along with Polk SDA2's to replace no-name bookshelf units an audiophile uncle bequeathed to me. I vividly recall his aquamarine glowing McIntosh amp, Thorens turntable and Thiel floor standers that were as tall as I was at the time...)

The dealer had modded the Haflers by Musical Concepts, which was my first exposure to John Hillig's work.

Last year I invested in Musical Concepts' most recent Hafler upgrades for my amp, preamp and cdp. Not much is written online about John's mods, but to my ear the improvement was astounding in every way my ear could measure. Since that time, I've continued on the upgrade path to my current system with which I am very happy.

Yet, I am curious about what tubes will do to my system. My current system (with which I am very satisfied) is:

Hafler DH 220 Amp/Musical Concepts PA6 Elite Ultra Mod
Hafler DH 110 Preamp/ Musical Concepts LXII Elite Mod
Musical Concepts modded Rotel 1072 CDP//Musical Concepts Elite Mod
Modwright tube modded Oppo Sonica DAC with Modwright external tube PSU

Harbeth m30.1 monitors
Dual HSU VTF1 MK3 subs
DSpeaker Anti-Mode 8033-S

Fidelizer Nimitra Computer Audio Server as Roon core
Fidelizer Nikola LPS

Goertz BP 1000 VA Balanced Power Conditioner
Furutech e-TP60 Power Distribution Unit

After market ICs/PCs:
Wywires Silver Juice II PCs and Modwright Umbilical
Shyunyata Venom 14 PC
Synergistic Research Element Tungsten and Accelerator ICs and PCs with Michael Spallone V2 modded MPCs

WDMycloud NAS

Listening room for near field listening is 12x10x8; opens to larger living area where I do much listening as well.

I welcome any input or recommendations you may have.
Regards,
Daniel


cantorgale

Showing 3 responses by hifiman5

Daniel,

To start with, you have a very nice system now.  I too have relied on modifications to maximize the sound of my basic components.

Interestingly, my conrad johnson PV 12L was extensively modified by RHB Design which is Bob Backert's modification company.  He and his son do their magic on gear of various brands, although Bob has specialized for years in working on cj gear.  

When I saw Backert Labs' two preamps on your list of possibles I was moved to reply.  Bob's thing is attention to every blessed detail in a design.  Impeccable workmanship.  I've had the pleasure to meet Bob several times and he has the perfect temperament for what he does.  He is quite meticulous and real low key.  Patience!

I haven't had the good fortune to hear any of his proprietary preamps but if you are looking for a rich, tubey sound, his gear probably won't give you that.  He is all about accuracy to the incoming music signal.  Don't get me wrong, that "rightness" that a tube preamp can bring to a system will be there but I would doubt it would be generally characterized as warm in the classic tube sense.

Having said that, I wouldn't trade my Backert modified cj pre for any other preamp.  

One last thought.  Bob has patents on preamp power supply designs.  He puts his all into the power supply section of his designs.

I have a Modwright SACD player with the tube rectified PSU.  That PSU is a true key to the sound of Dan's modded units as I am sure you already know.

I look forward to reading about your preamp journey.  All the best!
@whitestix Don Sachs’ gear does look interesting. IHave you ever heard his phono stage?
@cantorgale   This is a tough one.  I doubt that Musical Concepts can bring your Hafler up to the performance of any of the Backert Labs offerings but if you send the Hafler back to MC I would have them go all the way with the mod. including the outboard power supply   That way you'll know you have left no stone unturned.

You may be right about the future market for a modded component as I've read that on A'Gon before from others.  Personally I don't get it.  If I were in the market for used gear I wouldn't have any bias against modified gear.  As the buyer you would know that you are getting an optimized design and will pay a fraction of what the owner who modified the piece invested in it.

It might be helpful to call and talk to John Hillig to hear what he says about how close in overall sonic quality he can bring your Hafler to some of the better new offerings on the market today.

All the best!