Total cost of ownership - how to reduce it


Audiogon members love their music - but I am not alone, I think, in finding that the requirements in terms of cost and time for keeping the system running at optimal, can become too steep. Can we help each other out?

Today I have spent two hours trying to find a failed tube in my system. Two months ago I had a bad episode with a repair service that did not repair and did not return my stuff. Some weeks ago, I blew a speaker driver, I am still waiting for the replacement. Thinking, I need a tube tester, since my system has a lot of tubes - I got the tester, but it blew tubes, not "dead on arrival" but "over-excited" - and has to be repaired. I am perhaps especially unlucky. But I ask myself, how much is enough? When such experiences accumulate, I can understand people plugging into Mp3, it is simple and it works.

I have thought about my situation and diagnosed two main types of problems - maybe, relevant for other Audiogon members also.

The first is where you buy a thing used and then get it upgraded by the manufacturer. You pay quite a lot for this, and you would expect the whole thing is checked - but it is not. In two cases now, I have experienced that even if the upgrade works fine, the box as a whole is not checked, and develops problems a year or two after the upgrade.

The second case is where you pay for an upgrade that is more like a new build (e g of a speaker) or rebuild (of a cartridge). Now, there is no lagging wear and tear problem, but it turns out that the upgrade parameters were not fully developed, things have to be changed or checked afterwards (speaker drivers dont work optimal, needle not quite in place, etc).

I would be the first to recognize that some of these costs (time, mainly, but money also) should be accepted. I have paid local repair costs without complaining, and have used many hours of my own time. As an advanced user, I accept some extra costs.

It is just that, sometimes it gets too much.

I would like other Audiogon users' thoughts on this dilemma, and especially, what can we do to reduce the total ownership costs.

Your thoughts and experiences welcome.
o_holter

Showing 7 responses by wolf_garcia

So a Dennis Had amp, hand wired and out the door with custom transformers and tested using the ears of a brilliant designer costs less than a mid priced power cable. That's how you address costs.
I'm into buying things that aren't expensive but well regarded anyway...my factory modded Jolida 502P was bought new after looking everywhere and reading everything I could find about it, and it was inexpensive relative to anything in its performance class. Great amp...replaced by a hand made "work of art" Dennis Had Firebottle HO...that was barely used at around 1100 bucks...a steal, but the new price is only 1500 or so. Schiit Freya preamp...giant killer tube preamp with features no other pre has and costs peanuts (relatively). I like finding great stuff that isn't so pricey, and with patience and close listening you can assemble a world class system.
You can't reduce the total cost of ownership as that implies there is a total cost that's established, and you can only change the cost to yourself by owning something less costly. Or shoplifting. I hope this clears everything up. And I do mean everything.
Replacing tubes every couple of years is a negligible expense, as many great tubes aren't expensive, unless your amp has 14 tubes. Mine has 4. Besides, most tube amp owners enjoy trying different tubes and wind up with a collection of the things that insures decades of backup tubes, and rarely replace them simply due to them wearing out. The cost of a SS amp of equivalent musical quality can often be more than a simple tube amp's cost, obviating the tube cost issue. An exception could be when a tube amp owner finds a particular tube and has to stick with it as it offers something better than others...I just switched to Gold Lion KT77s in my SEP amp (it only has 2 power tubes) and can't imagine a better sounding tube in this amp, so more of these are likely in the future. There goes my tube theory.
I've found over 5 plus decades of tube guitar amps and hifi stuff that SS amps aren't more reliable than tubes, and in my experience somewhat less reliable...people abuse tube guitar amps from the 50s every day...and night...sometimes afternoons...
To sound better than many great sounding tube amps you need to spend a lot more for that SS amp, and the difference will cover your tube cost for decades. I found a slightly used Dennis Had "Firebottle" single ended amp that is hand made by a circuit manipulating genius, and it is profoundly good. Needs efficient speakers...but still...I enjoy trying new tubes, looking at tube glow, talking to the tubes, dusting their shiny little heads...you're not likely to unsolder your transistors to look at them, and tubes provide that connection to life forces, space heaters, and better living through a steam punk esthetic.
Regarding the reliability of tube amps, I've dragged tube guitar amps all over for decades, played club gigs at 4 to 6 sets a night driving the bejeesus out of various tubes, with a laughingly low perhaps statistically irrelevant failure rate...seen an amp dropped from a loading ramp (thank you Anvil case company for saving my bacon on that one), knocked off a stool (more than once), blasted with beer...whatever, and these are tube amps residing IN the speaker box (combo amps anyway). I think for most purposes tubes simply sound better than SS, got 'em in my hifi, got 'em in my studio guitar rigs, and recently lent one to John Pizzarelli at a concert I was mixing...he said it sounded better than nearly any amp he'd used recently (A small 15 watt Reverend Goblin combo 6V6 tubed thing with a Jensen Neo 10 speaker). Tubes...gotta have tubes...