To Fuse or Not to Fuse... That is the question!

Don’t worry, moops, there’s something in it for you. 🙄 Keep up the good work!

I rarely promote my products here, fellas. I do on occasion promote my ideas, however. See the difference? 👀 I leave it to Georgie Boy and moopman to do my product promotion for me. Thanks, guys!

Yeah, some called me garbage when I was sleeping on the street. I never roll, Oh I never cheat. And I’m filling a need, yeah, I’m plugging a hole. My mama’s so glad I ain’t on the dole. 🤡

Something terrible happens when products are not promoted. Nothing. - PT Barnum 

Every crowd has a silver lining. 🤡 - PT Barnum

They would be to you, Mr. Eels. You’re on his wavelength. 🤡

mapman
where’d all the tongue in cheek sci-fi comedy go on that site?

>>>>>Ironically, mapman cannot distinguish between science and science fiction so what’s the difference? 😳

georgehifi

roberttcan
geoffkait If you went to school, which I seriously doubt, I suggest you run down there real fast and demand your money back.

👍

Have a good look at his website, interesting doesn’t even begin to say what a ****** ** individual he is, he seriously need to seek professional help, it will make you shake your head.
http://www.machinadynamica.com/

>>>>>>Kudos to George for writing an almost grammatically correct sentence. Good job! 🤗

Speaking of salad you should add a lot of it to your diet.

If you went to school, which I seriously doubt, I suggest you run down there real fast and demand your money back. 

Gee, are you looking in the mirror?  I was thinking the very same thing of you. 

Since you ask you have shown you don’t know the difference between a field and a wave. Or between an electron and a photon. And you’re unwilling to learn. You are a classic pseudo skeptic on a mission.  For those reasons I’m out. See you in the funny papers.

This conversation can serve no purpose any more.

Now you’re getting close. The signal is an electromagnetic wave. Obviously, since the signal travels at near light speed. And signal must be photons because all (rpt all) electromagnetic waves are comprised of photons. And you don’t have to be a rocket scientist 🚀 to see electromagnetic waves must be photons since photons are the only particle that travels at light speed in a vacuum and near light speed in a metal conductor. That’s precisely why satellite communications signals (electromagnetic waves) travel at light speed in a vacuum. That’s why there’s a satellite delay for synchronous satellites. Follow?

The measured difference in voltage drop is a symptom or hint that wire is directional, I.e. asymmetrical. 🔜 The lowest voltage drop will occur when the fuse or wire is in the preferred direction, in terms of sound quality. And the wire or fuse will always sound best when it is in the correct direction.

The speed of the signal is near light speed in copper. That is because ...drum roll.. the signal is photons, not electrons. If the electrons were the signal the whole thing would not work. You know, since it takes one hour for the electrons to travel one meter. That’s if the circuit is DC. Obviously in an AC circuit the electrons have a net velocity of Zero since they go back and forth along with the current. 🔛

Energy does not travel to and fro in an AC circuit. Energy is a scalar quantity. It has no direction. It doesn’t make sense, anyway, since IF energy changed direction along with the current the net energy would be zero. 

Note to Mr. Eels - the name is Littelfuse, not Littlefuse. 

How long do we have to wait before there are audiophile circuit breakers? 

I wouldn’t know. 

Good comeback! 🙄

That’s actually not really true. We know exactly how free electrons move in a conductor and what their function is. It’s not really quantum mechanical. It’s plain old everyday physics. Free electrons are charge carriers and they move back and forth along with the current 🔛 but at a snail’s pace. 🐌 We even know exactly their velocity. It’s about a meter an hour. It’s not rocket science. 🚀 If you want to talk about something quantum mechanical you need look 👀 no further than the CD laser. It all comes back to the single and double slit experiments.

Have you tried smoking banana peels? You will see Diana Krall in the room.

George, George of the jungle, watch out for that tree! Go back and finish school, Georgie!

Oh, brother! They’re coming out of the woodwork!

Is hemi code for half-man?

Synchatrom? Quantum? You’re beautiful! 🤡

You don’t have to be the fastest sheep on the farm. You just have to be faster than the Wolf.  🐑 🐑 🐑 🏃🏻‍♂️

No, not funny like a clown funny. 🤡

Nurse! Man down! 

It doth appear some shrinking violets 😲 are lurking here. Hey, that rhymes! Remember what the dormouse said, Faint heart ne’er won fair maiden. 💃 Don’t flip your gizzard. Flip your fuse! 🔜

Jay-Jay ✈️ has no sense of humor.

Tone controls is a different story from SQ. I just thought I’d point that out. Tone controls suggests frequency response controls only. But obviously there’s much more to SQ than just frequency response. For example, transparency, dynamic range, SNR/resolution, soundstage, etc. I think TUNING is a “crutch word.” A “cover-up word.” They use the same crutch word for cables. And footers. There is no mystery, folks. We already know why audiophile fuses are better than stock fuses. We also known cables and footers are not simply tone controls. Get real. Time to wake up and smell the coffee. ☕️

Where is Michael Green when you need him? He can define TUNING is anybody can.

Define TUNING.

Ah, the voice of reason. 🙄

So, the big question is, drum roll, are the ceramics in the right direction? 🤡

I suspect maybe my oft-repeated claim that “no fuse is better than any fuse” may have been misinterpreted. I was referring to my battery-powered CD player, which doesn’t require a fuse, any fuse, for obvious reasons. So, no fuse is just one advantage of many why a battery-powered, low-power, low mass, minimal design system can outperform. 

Another troll who refuses to discuss the issue any longer...discusses the subject. Oh, and thanks a bunch for all the valuable insights, Georgie! 🤡

I’m sure you’re mixing me up with someone else. Never said it. Why would I say It? Why would anyone say it? I suggest you eat more fish 🐟 🐠 

As for your silly law of thermodynamics comment you might as well say, The sky is blue.

Energy, power, current, they all are part of the fuse vs no fuse discussion. You cannot separate them. As I said already, I am the only one present here who has experience with both the fancy fuse and no fuse cases. When you use low power components as I do, just in case no one picked up on it, battery-powered CD player, there is no need for a fuse, any fuse, there isn’t even a place to put a fuse if you wanted to. That’s the no fuse case. As opposed to the fuse bypass case which is yet another case.

A big shout out to the guys who got the Nobel Prize for Chemistry for inventing the Lithium battery last week. 🤡

Even though you probably won’t respond, almarg, you’re wrong. It is not something I made up. Energy and power are both scalar quantities. I must have had more physics in school than you did. It’s you who made it up. You could have at least checked Wikipedia. 🤡

You say you won’t come back to this thread. Is that a promise or a threat? These little drive by shootings of yours are not very becoming.

Almarg is probably thinking to himself, darn, I knew I shouldn’t have posted on this thread. 🤡

I just finished explaining, energy is a scalar, it has no direction. It doesn’t flow. Hel-loo! Current is the flow of electrical charge. Charge flows.

Note to self: try not to get into physics arguments with English majors.

That actually is irrelevant to the argument. Thanks anyway!

ieales
At what (BurnIn / BurnOut) is nirvana attained?

>>>>I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy. 🤡

ieales

Now, am I the only one who’s got experience with fancy fuses and no fuses at all?

Mr Kait’s fuses all blew long ago... ~<:-)

Fuses are connectors. Refreshing connectors has always paid dividends.

There is such a lack of rigor in ’fuse’ testing that it would be laughable if it were not so sad.

>>>>Why, are you volunteering? No need to reply, it’s a rhetorical question, Mr. Eels

rodman999994,063 posts10-13-2019 9:47am

"However energy is conveyed in only one direction, from source to load, putting aside reflection effects that occur mainly at RF frequencies."

+1

>>>>Upon further reflection 🤡 if current and voltage change direction wouldn’t the power change direction, too? Or does power have no direction? It’s a scalar quantity. So power doesn’t go in any direction. 🔛 Energy is also a scale quantity. No direction. 🔛

almarg
Just for the record, 60 Hz AC changes polarity and consequently direction 120 times per second. During each 60 Hz cycle the waveform goes from negative to positive and also from positive to negative.

However energy is conveyed in only one direction, from source to load, putting aside reflection effects that occur mainly at RF frequencies.

>>>>Bingo! 🤗

ibmjunkman
OK, I am totally confused. You guys saying you use these fuses in AC circuits?

From their web site:
A: Yes, fuses are directional. Electricity should flow from the left to the right when you view the fuse. If you do not know the direction of flow you should listen to the fuse inserted in both directions. One direction will sound more detailed. This is the correct way.

I thought AC changed directions 60 times a second?

>>>>>Thanks for bringing that up. Actually most audio fuses happen to be in AC circuits. It’s true current changes direction on the wire according to where the fuse is located. If the fuse is located where power comes into the CD player, preamp or amp or whatever it changes 60 times per second. But if the fuse is located in the speaker the current changes according to frequencies of the audio waveform. Thus the current at the fuse in the speaker changes 20 to 20,000 times per second - or more or less. If the fuse is in a DC circuit obviously current is unidirectional.

You can ignore the current traveling in the direction away from the speakers, I.e., toward the wall, since that direction of current flow is not (rpt not) audible. The only direction that’s audible for any wire is the one toward the speakers. It is the speakers that ultimately produce the sound you hear. So, it’s the “quality” of the current traveling toward the speakers that is the issue. That’s why fuses sound better in one direction, worse in the other direction in AC circuits and DC circuits. As Old Blue Eyes sez, that’s life.

itsjustme
Not eve(n) close. So worry about the big stuff, and dont fret the small stuff. And fuses just might save you from doing $1000s of damage.
really - its vastly smaller than you may think.

>>>>>I tend to disagree. It’s vastly bigger than you may think. Especially if one has many fuses.

Maybe we should have a thread, How Small Can Something and Still Make a Big Difference?

The Devil is in the details. - Old audiophile axiom 😈

captaindidactic
“I have just started playing my system with 16 new ceramic fuses and so far it sounded better before.”

>>>>>Hey, Capt, since all fuses are directional and all fuses require breaking in it will be somewhat of a challenge to get all 16 fuses in the correct direction. Better put on your Mr. Spock ears. 🤡

ibmjunkman
Not questioning the fuse maker who says their fuses are directional. Questioning their use in an AC circuit which is bi-directional.

>>>>Let’s try to keep sexual orientation out of this.

Alas, even your friend and humble narrator is confused now.