To Fritz, Quicksilver, and all the exceptional makers trying to get the word out


It's been a while since I've posted. When you're in the sandwich generation, life intervenes. I've not had much chance to keep up with the conversations here, but I've managed some changes in my system, including a new set of speakers from a local audio fixer and DIY genius. These new speakers are wide baffle design with JBL woofers (15") and Beyma AMT tweeters. 97db sensitivity. I've put a picture on my system page.

But I've been thinking about Fritz and Quicksilver for an odd reason. There's an interesting guy on YouTube, Andy Edwards. He's a drummer and teacher with interestingly provocative analyses of rock, jazz, and music. Recently in a video entitled "Ten things non-musicians get wrong about music," he was pointing out how the music industry tends to advance very select fractions of talented people. There is a tremendous funneling effect that excludes a huge percentage of talented people. They are better than many of the most popular musicians, but they cannot get a hearing. They have to make a living in other ways -- but they are extraordinarily talented, nonetheless. This tends to skew the public perception of what a good musician is because people hear what they hear and then celebrate it because it's what they know. Subjective bias leads to (false) objective estimations of how good musicians can be. (Take one case in point: Kazuhito Yamashita. Look him up. Staggering genius on the guitar who didn't become a worldwide phenomenon.) 

This made me think about two of the pieces in my system -- Fritz speakers and Quicksilver amps. They are complete unknowns to 99% of the buying public, and if you look around on YouTube or other media, it's pretty hard to find much promotion. It's all word of mouth, and even if they did advertise, who would hear them? With Klipsch and Focal and Yamaha et al. taking up most of the available attention economy, how could their message get through? 

I am so grateful to the members of this forum for helping guide me to Fritz and Quicksilver. They are the most listenable, comfortable, and high-quality gear I've owned. I've heard amazing things about other brands -- such as Audio Note -- but I'm paying for college, soon for two kids, and that just ain't happening. These are not the best things money can buy, but as value propositions, you really cannot do better, IMHO.

For those whose ears are perking up about Fritz for the first time, I have done two reviews of what I think is his better speaker, the Carbon 7 SE MKII. 

Written -- https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/review-fritz-heiler-s-carbon-7-se-mk-2-bookshelf-speakers?

Video -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpI6eAvc4_M

I've tried them with everything: they're tube friendly (Quicksilver, 60w); they're class D friendly (DIY Hypex-based amp, 275W); they're class A friendly (Pass XA-25, about 25-80w); they're class AB friendly (Adcom, Akitika, 60w). 

I like them because if I focus in on them, they perform but if I just want them on in the background, they're lovely that way, too. 

Hope everyone has a good 2025. 

hilde45

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@hilde45 ...but if I just want them on in the background, they're lovely that way, too. 

 

It's a great point, leaving them on in the background, being able to walk around the house listening while doing various things. Just leaving it on and not having to sit in front of a system is desirable too.   I miss the old days systems where we just flip it on and leave it on not worrying about over-heated Class A amps or high $ tubes burning down. Its the OCD side or frugal side some of us have, I'll admit it :) 

I'm revisiting what I refer to as [new value tubes vs NOS] and integrated SS amplifiers too as a result. Some of my older Sansui integrateds were the best.  Kinda miss that era. Seemed less complex, so easy, fun listening.  

The Fritz Carbons are a speaker I've referred to friends based your reviews @hilde45. Finding such a speaker you can just let play and enjoy with different amps is pretty darn cool.  Thanks for all of your time and energy on this @hilde45 

To @bdp24 the first time I heard Eminent Technology LFT-8s and LFT-16s was at my local dealer using my same Quicksilver Mono 120 amplifiers.

I won’t forget the listening experience because it represented its own type of sound compared to all the other AudioNote and SoundLab electrostatic speakers there.

Another one of the exceptional makers, getting the word out came as a result of hearing the combination in person. If I resale my upgraded Quicksilver M120s tube amps down the road, I could only hope they would go to an ET speaker owner, either model. To this day I felt it was one of those amazing match-ups and synergies I’ve heard first hand.

Makes me want to bring my personal Quicksilver amps over to the dealer to play them on the LFT-8s since I’ve upgraded the coupling caps and power caps to top shelf Mundorf & Nichicons. I bet it would sound even better than last time I heard them play with the standard amps and tubes.  

To @hilde45, yep its been a fun journey searching out the low-key / affordable / lower cost builders who don’t pay for advertising and don’t appear at the shows. Referrals like a few mentioned on this thread seems to be how these cats like to operate, and want to keep it that way. We all can appreciate how this allows people to dip their toe into this hobby, not having to overspend to get started - and be able to experience and enjoy what it can sound like along the way.

In your case you were able to utilize reasonably powered tube amps that offer a variety of different tubes also giving you the ability to try several different speakers.

I was fortunate growing up with mentors and a number of builders, manufacturers, and store owners around me in NorCal which exposed different avenues and explorations with different types of components, speakers, and people who created careers and life-long hobbies and/or dream systems out of it all for themselves. Its been a lot of fun and interesting seeing and learning from all sorts of hobbyists too. Working, seeing, and being in/around speaker manufacturing for a while was a fun chapter too. None of that exist around here any more, unfortunately. 

Hey Man, you are well beyond liftoff, you are exploring the low power efficiency stuff now which leads to other books and many chapters there too, enjoy!

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+1 @russ69 on both counts. What I really enjoy about my SLP98 is how you can run various vintage and new re-issue 6SN7s with interesting results. Also having an outboard power transformer, standby power-on, remote control, and dual Pre-Outs makes it nice for running multiple amplifiers and/or dual stereo subwoofers.