Time to upgrade the pre-amp.


I am currently running and ARC SP-16l into an Art Audio PX-25 power amp which feeds a pair of Blumenhofer Genuin FS2s (94db). I listen to mostly vinyl atm, and I have an external phono stage (Icon PS1 mkii). I think at this point, the pre-amp is the weak link.

Although I am not wedded to buying another ARC preamp, I am leaning in that direction due to company reputation, longevity, accessibility of local dealers (Northern NJ) and resale value, though I am definitely looking for that full mid-range and "musicality" typically associated with all tube architectures.

I have an opportunity to buy an SP-11 for $4,000, and from what I am seeing, if I wait, I may be able to get an SP-10 in that same range. However, for ~$2,000 more, I could likely get a Ref 5SE, which would be the top of the budget, but has in addition to any sonic advantages, a remote and tube hour tracker.

My questions are: (1) is it worth holding out for the newer Ref series (~10 yrs old at this point) vs the SP10/11 which are 40 years old at this point; and (2) if it comes between the SP10 and SP11, What I have read here is that the SP10 is all tube, but while that unit’s phono stage is particularly strong, the rest of the line inputs are not up to the SP-11. If it turns out that they are close, I would likely choose the SP10 between those two.

Very interested in how folks think about this.

saulh

Showing 2 responses by elliottbnewcombjr

OP,

generally, what volume level is your ARC preamp set at for normal listening?

What about the amp's GAIN? OP's Speakers sensitivity are 94 db/w/m

found this pecking about:

https://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=176890.0


"It might be useful in the specifications section to inform the buyer of what the overall gain of the amplifier is since you are stating that it has too much gain for your 108dB horn system.

The specs state a power output of 6 watts. I am going to assume that this is RMS and also that it is at an impedance of 8 ohms. The specs also state a 400mV input sensitivity. I am going to assume that this input sensitivity is what is needed to pump out 6 watts RMS (clipping).

So let's do the math.

Using P=V (squared)/R; where P is wattage and R is impedance. V then works out to 6.93 Vrms.

If the maximum output power is 6.93 Vrms and to reach that maximum power you need to input 400mV rms (or 0.4V rms), then gain is calculated by:

gain = 20 *dB log (X) where log X is equal to log (6.92/0.4) or 1.24.

gain = 20*1.24 = 24 to 25 dB.

So gain works out to be 25 dB, which indeed might be too much for a 108dB horn system (power being a separate issue of course). I would aim for 12 to 16dB of overall gain in a system that is that sensitive.  This is of course relative to what your source (dac, vinyl, others) is producing and if you have a preamp in the system as well. It requires a careful balance.

Pretty amps though! GLWS!

Best,
Anand."

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I've visited OP's home, heard his wonderful system.

One of the issues with the ARC SP16L Preamp is each 'step' in the volume is too much of a jump, not smooth like normal remote volumes. We thought it was inherent to that model, a motivation to change. Are the steps 'heightened' by the amp's gain? Avoid any 'stepped' volume control in an alternate unit?

 

Question:

IF wanting to bi-amp those speakers,

https://www.blumenhofer-acoustics.com/Products/SerieGenuin/GenuinFS2-2/GenuinFS2-2.php

use the 6 wpc PX25 tubes for the upper driver, and something stronger for the bass driver:

IF preamp want's little or no gain for the PX25, how does that low gain leave you for the amp(s) driving the bass?