Those who seek to deny access to information


Like many/most here, one of the main reasons I frequent audiogon is to gather information. I am looking for ways to enhance the enjoyment I get from listening to music on my system. The information most valuable to me comes from those who share their actual experience with products that I am interested in, but have not heard in my system.

The audio community is a diverse one, with many opinions, ideas and perspectives. Many of them differ from mine, and that is fine. Those who disagree with me are free to make posts and start threads about whatever they choose. This doesn’t bother me, I am free to choose what I read, and what I don’t.

What does rile me up up is deliberate attempts to deny me (and others) access to the information that I value. There are some here who repeatedly seek to disrupt, sidetrack, derail, and shut down conversations about topics and products that trigger them. They do not contribute any useful information or experience to the discussion, and make disparaging comments about things they have zero experience with. They are bullies who mock, ridicule and provoke those who use, make and sell certain products. They seek to stifle any discussions about, and especially positive opinions of, the products and people they clearly have a vendetta against.

They can start their own threads, and talk about what a fool I am all day long, I don’t care. Their deliberate and repeated attempts to deny myself and others access to the information we value, however, are intolerable.

tommylion

Showing 3 responses by whart

The Internet is a vast resource, but no one forum or platform satisfies my particular interests, which are always morphing. In some ways, you have to create your own network of contacts, friends and resources. I've found that most audiophiles, designers, manufacturers and engineers are pretty generous in sharing their knowledge. You'd be surprised at their willingness to talk with you if you email or phone them. 

I took a look at some of the discussions you started and many seem to be about DIY tweaks--DIY Audio is yet another resource you might tap into. 

I developed relationships over the years, some from contact on chat fora, that have endured. This, despite the fact that some no longer post at Audiogon, perhaps for the same reason you identified. I guess it is incumbent on you to seek out the knowledge you want and find the people who can best fulfill your needs. To me, there is no "one stop" place for that. And part of the enjoyment, for me, is the research and learning, which has its own rewards. 

Good hunting. 

Bill Hart

@tomic601 said: " I don’t come to ANY Audio site to hear about the gold standard, the Fed, Cancel culture, Jordan Peterson, vaccines, a Chinese plot , hanging chads, etc…".

Amen.

I dunno. My sense is Audiogon is gonna do whatever they do. This is tail wagging dog isn’t it? They don’t make money from the forum except I guess from advertising?

I think there is still a broad, worldwide audience for this site and occasionally see cross posts from other fora posted here. Somehow, I can manage to navigate through or past the contentious nonsense, but the real loss is a disappeared thread that got "deleted" and had good info until it turned into a train wreck.

My experience with other sites is that the stuff isn’t actually deleted, it is just concealed or "unpublished." But it would take time and effort to go back through those and curate them to restore them without the "bad" posts. And going forward, it requires a degree of moderation that simply isn’t happening-- another user pointed that out to me. That’s why, unless something is completely outrageous, I will not flag a post. And some stuff can go on for pages that is irrelevant to audio. I hate this saying, but "it is what it is." 

The culture of a board is made up by its users. The rules or terms of use are really there for the rule abiding in my experience. And it’s been a while since I looked at the TOU but it could be stronger. However, it comes back to enforcement and I don’t think A-Gon has the moderator resources. Perhaps with a clear set of rules and some volunteer mods, they could do better. I dunno. I do know that anyone who volunteers to be a moderator shouldn’t-- kind of like being the hall monitor.