Thin Walled Speakers -Tonian, Musical Affairs, etc


Hello,
It seems that a few speaker makers are using the thin walled, lightweight, less damping approach to building. For example Tonian, Musical Affairs and some others.

http://tonianlabs.com/
http://musicalaffairs.com/
http://vimeo.com/28295029

And I've read some very positive reviews of such speakers. I can see how they would sound unreal with vocals, acoustic instruments etc. But how do they sound with other more spectrally complex music- lets say rock. Do they turn to sonic mud?

I'd be curious to hear feedback from anyone who actually owns or has heard such speakers.

Thanks
anchan

Showing 6 responses by nonoise

I have Tonian TL-D1s and yes, they can rock without the use of a mudroom. Even electronic fare like Trent Reznor's and Atticus Ross' soundtracks sound wonderful, varied and nuanced.

Just because a speaker is designed/voiced like an instrument, it will still give you a gratifying listening experience. In all genres.

Granted, it may be off a bit, but what isn't? What matters is, is it convincing enough to allow you to suspend belief?
With the Tonians, I always leave my brain behind.
Anchan,

None taken :).
There was a time, albeit short, when I listened to some Queens of the Stone Age,
Rob Zombie and Marilyn Manson to see how they fared and they acquitted themselves quite favorably. In fact, I was surprised at how good they sounded as I now listened to them from a different perspective than from my old Legacy Classics, which can rock with the best of them.
The Tonians do so many things so well that I can easily overlook their lack of bombastic like portrayal ability from heavily reworked studio fare. All one has to do is listen to some 'live' rock on these Tonians and you can easily be swayed into buying a pair.

All the best,
Nonoise
True that (god how I hate that expression).

But if the cabinet's and driver's resonances are taken into consideration (designed in), in advance, and the drivers are adequately attached, the cabinet adequately braced, and in the case of the Tonians, being a semi-open baffle design, then it should handle most kinds of music provided its not used as a PA system.

Coloration can be a good thing as long as its intended.
When you think of a heavily braced, thickly walled, acoustically inert cabinet and all the sound absorption and abatement one must do to keep the sound from relecting back out through the drivers or ports at an unacceptable rate, who can say which is the better design? Both seem to work as long as they're well thought out in advance.
It could be our ideas of coloration differ. Hues can be used to aid in tone. Gradations can enhance. Just how much is needed, or wanted, is in the ear of the designer. My take on coloration is of a slight application. Taking into consideration that speakers make the most distortion of any audio component in the chain (sometimes up to and beyond 10%), then coloration seems as reasonable as any approach in speaker design, along with cabinet construction, crossover design, choice of driver, etc.
It would be impossible to do as you suggest but I bet that's not what the designer was aiming for. The same can be said for very inert cabinets since they, too, cannot cover all the bases. And they don't. Otherwise there would be a formula, of sorts, and everyone would make the same speaker.

Every design is a compromise. All speaker makers settle for less. Some do it better than others.

It's just a different, and successful way of speaker making. Try to listen to one for yourself and it just might change your mind.

All the best,
Nonoise
Cluxa,

Nicely put. I recall reading a review of the Tonian Tl-D1s and the reviewer went on to say that although it may not be accurate, it was very convincing which made it so enjoyable to listen to. It kind of mirrors what you say about them.
I still can't fault them, but then I am prejudiced.

All the best,
Nonoise