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The Trouble with Cartridge Recommendations

I am having an issue with cartridge recommendations. I understand that the best scenario is to test carts in my system with my music in my room. This requires a pretty outstanding relationship with a dealer who has multiple carts on hand. Short of that, is to purchase through a dealer who can recommend a cart and support his recommendation with a fantastic return policy.

Problem is, with the internet at my disposal, I can purchase slightly used carts, demo models, NOS, off shore imports at fractions of the cost of going through a dealer. The up shot is my money goes A LOT further. Problem is, there is no more guaranty that it will suit tastes and existing gear...

Which brings me to this forum and a plead for recommendations based on the collective array of experience.

Let me introduce myself. I have been primarily listening to records for about 15 years and been taking it pretty seriously the last 5-6 years. I love open baffle speakers and well designed tube amps. My friends consistently have very high priced hi fi set ups so I am aware of fantastic analog reproduction. But I need to be more creative with my budget to get the most out of a dollar.

Music tastes are hard pin point. I have about 5-6 records that represent my main tastes and NEED to sound fantastic for me to be happy, the artists are: Nick Drake, Syd Barrett, OutKast, Jesus Lizard, The Dirty Three, and The shangri-las...

My system (which I enjoy and would like to keep as is):
VPI Classic 1 (standard)
PS Audio GCPH (phono stage)
Eico HF81 (fully rebuilt integrated amp)
GR Research V1 (OB speakers with Servo Sub Bass)

My ideal cart throws a huge sound stage with fantastic dynamics. Detailed low end with impact and smooth treble. I like a pinpoint centre image. I can give up the most precise detail and accuracy for pleasure and engagement.

Keeping in mind that I would like to do this on a reasonable budget is key. I will be searching for any deal I can find once I narrow my search. My short list is:
ZYX R100
Dynavector 20x
Benz Glider
Shelter 501 (901)

So thanks for reading this, and please let me know what you all think. I will certainly respond with any further info and I will also try to contribute myself to re-pay the advice I get here.
srbedard

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srbedard OP
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Thanks for the help above. I recently installed a gently used Shelter 501 MKII.

So far it is pretty great. Maybe not the last cart I'll every use, but works very well and brings the room to life.

VTF: 1.8. VTA a tad high. Load: 100ohms.
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
Thanks harv,

" Spend a bit more now and eliminate the upgrade bug." I think is good advice.

I am a little hesitant to go with the Soundsmith option. So far the Zyx has 'piqued' my interest the most -- but I think it is also the most unknown for me.
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
Thanks,

I will only buy used from someone I trust. Or who is referred by someone I trust. Been burnt in the past too.

I am currently running a Denon 103 Midas. I love the flavour and I will likely keep this cart forever (bedroom system), but the short falls are now way too obvious for me.
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
I have a line on a new-old-stock Zyx R100 high output for sale. Great price. Just hesitating right now...

I think I need something higher output than the Dyna 17d3. The PS Audio phonostage has good gain, but the old Eico does get a little noisy if I turn it up to loud. I think 0.3mV output is my floor.
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
Currently running the Denon 103 with 0.3mV output -- I don't think I can go any lower. The PS Audio has a gain range up to 66dB which is sufficient for LOMC but the low power integrated amp is then the bottle neck. ...i think.
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
Regarding compatibility, once I am assured that the VTA and VTF are acceptable for the arm/cart combo. Is there much else beyond compliance compatibility in pre-determining a suitable match?
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
"I just want to know how the Shangri-las fit in with those other groups..."

Great groups with great production.
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
OK,

I've got a line on two carts, any recommendations:

Benz Micro Glider M Cartridge, used from a trusted dealer -- $350

ZYX R100-H, older model, new still in box -- $750
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
"Sonically, I'd recommend the ZYX, but keep in mind that you'll need to buy a VPI - STAINLESS STEEL HEADSHELL WEIGHT to use with the ZYX."

Thanks, I have one.
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
OK, one more:

ZYX R100H
or
Dynavector 20x (VPI special version)

both new in box $750...

Thanks again.
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
Well, Thanks for the help everybody. This was a great exercise and I would hate to prolong this just to continually go over the same ground.

Moving forward I think I will wait a bit for the best deal to come along. My current set up is still fantastic.

My plan is to stick with the Dynavector or the Zyx but to move up the lines to a more mid-priced model rather than a mid-priced entry level. I know with patients, a deal will be found.

Thanks again,
srbedard OP
21 posts
 
I should also note, that I have the 3 gram headshell weight from VPI installed as well to help with compliance matching.

So far I would rate the sound as a base line for the truly holographic hifi effect. But remaining warm, musical and fun.

The Denon 103 (aluminum) that I replaced is much more 2D. The 103 has excellent dynamics and 'wow' factor. But none of this breadth.
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