The Snob Appeal Premium


I have learned that speakers are a typical victim of "Designer Label Syndrome".  Supposedly an $8 billion a year market (hard to believe) speakers are fairly simple beasts with little substantive improvements over the last 50 years. Ever since Paul Klipsch ( a character in his own right) read the Bell Labs 1934 papers and revolutionized speaker technology there have been few similar revolutionary improvements to the speaker. So- if you are an enterprising manufacturer of speakers (which are relatively cheap to build) how do you extract more and more money from the consumer ?  Answer: Synthetic demand driven by cachet' !  Like a pair of Louis Vuitton sneakers @ $650 a pair vs. New Balance runners @ 60/pr. It's snobby bragging rights stuff I'm describing here- perceived vs. actual value in a product. 

Here's an anecdotal example: 

I recently set out to build a high end mid-fi system (ARC preamp, power amp, Dac 9) for a large room "main house" (not a listening room) system. The goal was big, full, rich sound in a room full of furniture, chow dogs, kids and untreatable other things like 20 foot ceilings, multiple openings such as a balcony to the upstairs bedrooms, etc. Basically an audiophile's nightmare. 

I auditioned a number of speakers- Perlistens supported by JL Fathom subs, B&W Signatures, Bryston Model Ts, Vienna Acoustics Mahlers and Bethovens. IMO all of these are somewhat similar towers (except the Perlistens). The price point was not as important as the sound- given the limitations of the application. 

In the shopping for new or used I found a number of odd prices. The most unusual finding was a brand new set of Model Ts here in Audiogon advertised for $4K with a 20 year factory warranty. The dealer had one slide around of his hand truck and it put white paint smears on a corner of the Boston Cherry cabinet. Hmmm- 4 grand vs. 12 grand for a small fixable cosmetic flaw? I bought them. They sound fantastic. Some elbow grease and a furniture marker pen made the flaw vanish. 

I asked the dealer (Paul Kraft in Easton PA- great guy BTW) why the Audiogon Blue Book for a Model T was so low. His answer was "snob appeal". Apparently there is a big bragging rights  premium paid for having the UFO looking B&W Signatures vs what the snobs call the Bryston Model Ts "Axioms in a fancy suit".  I later learned that there are some prominent reviewers who refuse to listen to A/B speaker comparisons behind a silk curtain unless they know what brand is being scrutinized. To me that means "payola". 

Do the Model Ts sound better to me than the Mahlers, Bethovens, B&Ws? No. But they don't sound worse either (in my application). Do the above sound $8,000-$14,000 better than the Brystons in the listening rooms of the dealers? IMO NO WAY. To be fair price/value does color my perception much like a bottle of $40 Rumbauer Zin tastes better to me than $200 Silver Oak expense account wine. 

I'm guessing this post will anger brand snobs and garner snarky comments because their taste in sound is different than mine. Although this missive is really about personal perceptions of value v. sound I found my education on pricing fascinating and I feel great about finding amazing value in the brand new Model T's that needed 30 minutes of TLC to be at home in my family room. 

Moral of the story: Try em before you buy em, and look for value. It's fun and rewarding with no buyers remorse. 

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Showing 5 responses by asvjerry

"Don’t waste your money on a new set of speakers
You get more mileage from a cheap pair of sneakers”

B. Joel, in case you've forgot...

*wry sigh*G*

...still true, but in varying and varied degrees, as pointed out above by those who can afford the entry tickets..and I'm not in competition by any means...

,,,nor interested anymore, either.

I only have to impress myself at this time and place with the means 'n green I've for the pursuit.  And 'being happy' means more than impressing those who'll never hear where I've been and currently am....

"I took off in thе dead of night
But before I did, got my affairs in ordеr and my boots on
The Hallelujah choir needs a score
And they're knocking at my door, let them knock some more

They're saying I need a little, direction
But following the leader gonna turn me off the religion...."

Spoon, The Hardest Cut

Deal....but I do wear long sleeves...;)

Enjoy the music, not the method.

@grislybutter ....amazing how a lot of things are better in the dark.... ;)

The lights' coming on is when "Should I stay or should I go...." *L*

@mofojo, well...I've had the varied pleasure of running into a lot of bipeds in this existential bane, and imh, the 'well-heeled' can be just as warm or m-f'd as the average broke-ass sort....

It can hinge on ones' approach, and what follows it up.

If the chip on your shoulder is bigger than the block one calls their head, it goes downhill from there.... ;)

...just saying...not accusing...*elbow bump*

Hi, y'all....while 'tire-kicking' various 'n sundry and underway....

Have or has anyone 'been experienced' with:

...Anything from.... ?

Ribbon/amt/Walsh nitwit that I is, I'm curious if there's any IRL feedback re NFR drivers/units, other than the 'customer feedbacks' at their site...

They rarely show up on any sell/swap site, TMK...

Either they're capable of 'mind melds' that turn one into a NFRzombie, or good 'nuff to be a well-kept secret....both of which is unlikely, given the noted continued existence and general rise in $ (US or CN) plus expansion of offerings...

Anyone in the Great White North willing to spill the beans 'n bourbon 'bout this?

Curious mind = curious behaviours.....;)

Pre-thanx, J

I try to not be either a snob, nor an a/h....lifes' too short.

I know that I can be the latter, spouse occasionally accuses self of such...and she's a decent judge of that....when she's not being one as well, or acting as such... ;)

Snobby?  Perhaps, not intentional, but granted the potential...

We all have preferences, 'imho', feet in the concrete rockrib stance stuff.

At days' end or dawns' early light, if any given pair of us can concede that the other

is allowed their conceptions, mis- or otherwise...

It's all Good, as it should be. 

Play often. Play LOUD.

Just keep playing... ;)

....but just Listen...