The NAD M33 will cancel your complaints about Class D

Therefore, to the discerning ear and mind, both are a failure.

well, there you have it

calling junk pros now...

i recently got a devialet all in one integrated, the sound is spectacular

Someone hasn’t heard anything better than his/ her Devialet. Have they tried a Gryphon Diablo, a Pass Int or any number of other serious integrated A/B amps? Maybe and of course in the end it’s all a matter of taste.

yes - feel free to click on my system - been at this for 40+ years

i do use power conditioning and decent power cords...

i have not liked most class d stuff i heard in the past - i remember levinson monoblocks in 2008 - bought them and resold them within a week

but the genre has come a long way -- is it as good as my audio research reference 75 or hegel h20, pass aleph 3 or audiosector patek? no, not in the most critical listening, but it is not that far off, and importantly, it is very listenable, no nasties and some very notable strengths

i have felt the same way about NAD since 35 years ago i had the 3020 as my integrated while being a student driving ls3/5a’s... nad being good solid budget hi fi but really cannot compare to the true big boys

in more recent years they tried to make the move into higher priced categories with their m (’masters’) series gear... unfortunately they went class d for their amp sections in this series and the implementation was poor (like many others) and the sound was lifeless grey and bleached out -- just sub par for a line they hoped would compete with higher brands... still they sold many units with their (relatively) value oriented pricing, and they built in many functions into their units like dacs and dirac room correction - nonetheless the sound was poor compared to who they were competing against, for those who actually compared critically

this m33 with the purifi module is supposed to change this... at this point there are many decent reviewers confirming the sound is much improved, finally on par with the best class d implementations out there

value oriented buying decisions in high end hifi obviously happens at a variety of different spending levels... nad is certainly appealing to some of them...

@bjesien 

happy thanksgiving to you and to all

you are right... i would say that anyone posting on this forum has a lot to be thankful for

@cdamiller

NAD 33. Decent but not a Simaudio ACE or NAIM Uniti. Same money or less, much better sound

have you tested side by side under controlled conditions?  not debating your statement - just wondering what it is based on...

class d is a generic labeling of amplifier type

just like there are good and bad tube amps, class a/b solid state amps, mosfet amps, bipolar transistor amps, nos r2r dacs, moving coil cartridges, belt drive turntables, ribbon tweeters, electrostats... it is all in the holistic implementation of any particular offering that matters...

class d amps as a class, over their development in the past decade plus, were touted as the next best thing... yet many early versions did clearly sound poor... thus the reputation/hearsay came to be

just like digital, progress continues and improvements are made and those with open minds are wise to revisit past beliefs, which may have been perfectly reasonable and accurate at the time...

Also, I reiterate unless you solely listen to analog master tapes in your home set up you need to add some bloom and warmth.

i agree with this important point about making systems sound natural and real... something that most ’measurement geeks’ just fail to understand...

like they say, tube gear manufacturers haven’t been stealing deaf peoples’ money all these years

@jarogers

Best sound I’ve ever had in my home, bar none. And I’ve had some of the very finest gear on the planet.

so tell us, as we are curious - what are the other pieces of equipment/systems you have had that are summarily eclipsed by what you mention (nad/spatial m3t)?

not challenging your assertion per se -- but would be useful to know, so many of us on this board can do a little benchmarking on what gear is 'finest on planet' 

thanks in advance...

m33 is very good, but short of ’great’ in terms of sound quality - though clearly improved over the abysmal prior gen nad class d amps

functionally it does alot, tremendous feature set in one box, for sure, and is a good value given that, even though it is not cheap by any means

manage your expectations for tip top sound quality and you should be very very happy