The molecular level explanation of "cable burn-in"

it is clear to me not by scientific dogmatic faith or by proven scientific controlled experiments, not even by the cables marketters, but by simple experiment anybody can replicate that some minerals near the end of any connectors affect the sound quality perception ...

i even designed my own protective and filtering devices ....Homemade.... I proposed a simple experiment above and nobody dare to try it by blind faith or deaf indifference ... 😊

Since the many years i came in audio threads i read discussion without ends where all kind of scientists, real one or pseudo one with all variation of experiences , technicians , cables designers , amateurs of cables etc war against one another...

i am not qualified at all to separate the one who knows from those who dont and all in between in electro- magnetism facts ...

But being a grown up i devised the above experiment with shungite and quartz , after few years of others experiments to design my own "tweaks" homemade ...

it taught me that there is something about the audible effects of some minerals near any piece of gear cables or not ...

i even described the effect...

i can even put science litterature article confirming my above statement about sound qualities associated with shungite and quartz , their differences etc ...

it is better to experiment than to quarrel about the greatest electro-magnetic "balls"...

i will lost the contest anyway being a "poet" and a philosopher not a physicist ... 😊

 

«I always see Poynting vectors in my shower»--Groucho Marx🤓

 

The first transatlantic telephone cables were installed in the 1950s and worked reliably well into the 1970s.

 

The story is  fiction... Case closed... 😁

This does not change my simple experiment ...

Thanks

for the enlightened anecdote about Maxwell and cables...

 

 

It is why i proposed the simple experiment above which is way more instructive than raging discussion about electro-magnetic concepts theory ( quantum or not ) for most people😁 :

 

You put quartz on the connectors : Decompression of sound among other impressions ...

You put shungite on the connectors : it produce more a compressive impression ...

You put the two and the effect can be generally positive and more balanced...

 

But the effect will be perceived slightly differently function of each system synergy and each cable specs...

 

i believe in my experiments it is how i learned what i learned not by buying a hundred of gear upgrades...

And i am not an electrical engineer , only someone who spoke with someone who spoke with someone who spoke with someone who spoke with Prof. Feynman... 😉

 

 

Interesting story :

So when the first cable was laid under the Atlantic and people tried to make a transcontinental telephone call, the sound came out skewed in time, noisy and garbled. They checked the cable along the ocean floor and it was in perfect condition and insulated.

They consulted the best physicists out there, including one guy in England (forget his name) who was a student of Maxwell. He proposed that the cable insulation material, not the conductor, was the problem, which turned out to be true. The dielectric was distorting the sound. its the same reason high tension power lines have an air gap between them and the earth.

Most burn-in has to do with the changes that take place between the outer layers of the conductor and the dielectric, changing the speed which result in phase interferences that we hear as noise or resonance. this has been clear to real physicists since the first telephone cable... also, I saw CalTech guys talking about it on YouTube..they know, and have to know when doing ultra high end EE like semi-conductor stuff. There was even someone who talked about their elementary school class where they ran DC current into crystals and observed the changes that occurred over time, something like that.

 

A joke like a cable must be well insulated and not too long and never cheap.😊

A joke is way better if a bit twisted.

The set of Poynting vectors of a joke is your actual smile when you said it and the potential smiles of others receiving it.

@theskipperthree
I am with mahgister: too long by a factor of 5, and if it was really that funny, ok.

Life is short. Jokes: shorter still, preferably.

I must confess my jokes are not always good but short most of the times..

I plead guilty though of writing  too long post...

 

 

«My God!  Can i say the bible is too long»-- Groucho Marx 🤓

Sorry to loose you...

But i just say the truth about your too long sarcasm which is not really original... cables matter for many people here then sarcasm must be short and sweet... sarcasm should be a wink, not a long, unoriginal mockery...

i welcome you anyway...

Now because as a child who go sulk in his corner and announce he will never return you wait for what ? Sympathy ? Buy a dog...😉

Or stay here because as empathic as a  dog i feel sad that you leave in this way speaking such...Really...

By the way your judgement is too narrow and centered on you... This forum is not a waste of time for everybody...it is for some and not so much for others... In life we are all in different situation and different needs... Cables, friend, information etc there is all opinions here about all that...

I am retired and i appreciate everybody even those with whom i may disagree... i like too much discussing here and not staying alone... I am not perfect... 😊

Whatever your decision will be i wish you the very best....

 

Oh, mahgister, you silly. Just having a little fun with a topic that gets a lot of disagreement and rightfully so. Learn, happy to, we’re always learning. But your tone was more of an arrogant remark than anything worth noting. And yes, Dill, a member since 2007 and just posting now for the first time. (Doesn’t that tell you something?) like Facebook, this forum strikes me as an enormous waste of time. There’s a big world out there. I enjoy reading about this hobby that I inherited a love for from my father who was in it from the early days when I too was bitten by the audiophile bug. But I’m now regretting my little satirical contribution to this forum. My own fault, I kind of saw it coming. I’ll continue to read what interests me, but you’ll never hear from me again. Caio.

 

 

The best joke and sarcastic sentence must be short...

Your post is not even humorous...

Welcome here though... You will perhaps learn ...

My sincere best ... 😊

My speaker cables have achieved greater transparency and neutrality in their sound reproduction abilities due to the introduction of concentrated and directed external sound focused to aid in the cable's molecular strand orientation. You can achieve this at home with any system by shouting at your cables, that's right, shouting at your cables! It's best to perform this exercise with no music playing since you do not want any reproduced musical signal to interfere with the intended orientation you are trying to achieve. Very simply, stand over each run of cable and while leaning over, cup your hands and shout. It doesn't matter what you shout. It can be something like, "Get in line you stupid cable, YOU SOUND LIKE GARBAGE, you need to get your particles in line so you sound better." Shout, loudly, 3 to 4 times for the left channel and 3 to 4 times for the right channel. Preferably leave the door to your home or apartment open so you don't induce any acoustic feedback or echo which could unduly affect the molecular orientation you are trying to achieve. Now that you've completed this no-cost upgrade to your speaker cables, put on your favorite reference music, sit back and listen critically and don't tell me you can't hear an improvement in transparency and neutrality, presence, and overall inching closer to the absolute sound of real music reproduced in your home. If not, repeat the exercise described above until you can hear improvement. Trust me, be patient, it will come.

Instead of arguing without end about what most cannot verify nor understand completely anyway i proposed in my post above a simple experiment...😊

Nobody payed attention...😊

Most people prefer to buy something as a new cable for example especially a costlier one as programmed consumers they prefer purchase than making experiments. I know that...

 

Now this is my post above :

 

«Simple evidence for that :

put a piece of shungite on the cable connector ends: compression of the signals ...

put a quartz piece on the ends of the same cables connector : decompression of the signals ...

now combine them and hear the result : a balance with improvement in many case... It depend of the cable quality and design ...

No cables designer working with " basic established science/engineering principles in cable/wire electronics" will do that...

By the way i designed my own devices as a shield against EMI and minerals filters : "golden plate" ( shungite+a copper external face + quartz at some point for a better acoustic balance)

I dont buy tweaks...😁 I prefer homemade...»

 

 

 

Now think a second about what i said about shungite and quartz...

Think...

And read that :

 

"Quartz is an excellent electric insulating material and presents the following electrical properties: electrical resistivity (350°): 7×107 ohm x cm. dielectric constant (20°C – 1MHz): 3,76."

 

"Despite the poorly ordered structure, shungite has a relatively high electrical conductivity [50,51]. The resistivity of shungite-1 is about 1 Ω cm, whereas the resistivity of shungite-3 is about 10 Ω cm [50]."

 

«Another carbonaceous filler used in the present work was shungite. Shungite is a mineral that has recently increased in popularity. Shungite is a microheterogeneous natural mineral complex containing non-crystalline carbon, silicates, a small quantity of metal oxides, and organic additives [31,32]. Originally, shungite was described thanks to the resources obtained near the village of Shunga (Russia). Shungite rocks are classified into five types depending on the carbon content. Some deposits consist of almost pure carbon (up to 98% by weight, so-called type I). The most popular variant of shungite is type III (with a carbon content of 20–35 wt.%) [33,34]. Shungite may differ in structure and properties, depending on the place of origin. Shungite is a hard mineral with a compact structure and black color. Its density, depending on the variety, ranges between 2.04 and 2.25 g/cm³. Due to the fact that shungite contains nanotubes and fullerenes in its structure, this mineral is highly porous. Shungite also exhibits conductive properties and considerable mechanical strength [35,36,37]. Its modulus of elasticity is the highest among all of the carbon materials, including graphite. Taking into account the reactivity of shungite, it can be observed that it is more reactive than coke and, at the same time, more resistant to the oxidation process than graphite»

Antonets, I.V.; Golubev, Y.A.; Shcheglov, V.I.; Sun, S. Electromagnetic shielding effectiveness of lightweight and flexible ultrathin shungite plates. Curr. Appl. Phys. 2021, 29, 97–106

 

Simple evidence for that :

put a piece of shungite on the cable connector ends: compression of the signals ...

put a quartz piece on the ends of the same cables connector : decompression of the signals ...

now combine them and hear the result : a balance with improvement in many case... It depend of the cable quality and design ...

No cables designer working with " basic established science/engineering principles in cable/wire electronics" will do that...

By the way i designed my own devices as a shield against EMI and minerals filters : "golden plate" ( shungite+a copper external face + quartz at some point)

I dont buy tweaks...😁 I prefer homemade...

 

dill

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03-12-2024 at 09:02am

" basic established science/engineering principles in cable/wire electronics"

- Maybe that is not good enough to explain the difference that what different people with different hearing ability and brain function hear in their different systems with different components in different rooms. Maybe the rudimentary measurements made by the "science/engineering" community falls short when the human brain is involved.

Cables are the obligatory passage of many audiophiles who for a reason or another because they cannot tackle the essential of acoustics focus on gear and especially cables.. ( and no acoustics with an (s) is not reducible to mere room acoustic or your mere ears biases )

Read me right cables matter. But it is in no way the essential...

Then yes i was whipped in my young audiophile age by the great numbers of audio threads about cables ..Most useless debates or useless fad recommendation ... a great trauma for my audiophile childhood...

You had seen it right ... 😁😊😊😊

Childhood trauma? Anyone whip you with a power cable when you were a kid for bad behavior?

 

Bigger yawn...