The molecular level explanation of "cable burn-in"

I actually want to learn more about the dielectric bias system. Where can I get its data sheet and an actual sample? It may really work... a real magic oil lamp that takes us on a magic carpet ride.

Thanks for the inputs. You don't hate Mondays... so good night!

The website makes all these unverified pseudo science claims that go against basic established science/engineering principles in cable/wire electronics. Of course no lab data nor mathematical formulation. That’s what people do when selling snake oil. Maybe their cables create too much "standing waves" so "the DC phase alignment" needs to be achieved (by their patented dielectric bias system). I bet it's some high quality research that can be praised by the IEEE reviewers.

PVC and PETE have different dielectric constants that affect the properties of the cables between the two PETE has a lower Dk so absorbs less electric charge consequently it's a better insulating material for audio cables. (the other way around for capacitors) But this is not the issue here. The problem is this novel behavior of dielectric macromolecules in cable electronics according to the  website. I suggest their research be submitted to the IEEE review board for authentication. This could be someone's PhD dissertation and publishable in a high impact engineering journal.

I don't know why.but I had to do like this. maybe it was too long? anyways weird

I was going to make a separate thread about the magic dielectric bias system but decided not to. I'm aware that there are similar magic fairy lamps used in the cable selling industry - MPC Network Box etc.. as one member stated they could simply use magic stones like shungite/quartz instead of spending money on tooling extra labor to attach those magic lamps to their expensive cables and name them like "time-dependent (hence 200 hrs of burn-in time required) dielectric wave quantumiser" or some other extra fancy pseudo-science nomenclature. My speaker cables are the Kimber 8tc that I bought many years ago and I would say they're "good enough" I would like repeat "good enough"

I use two pairs of the 8tc to connect my monoblocks (actually a pair of stereo amps) to the speakers and use their interconnect cables as well. I once had a chance to try their very thick top of the line speaker cables (select?) on my system and found no audible difference or perhaps my brain rejected to believe there's any but I was confident that it wasn't obvious like upgrading from the Monster to the 8tc. If I ever get to buy new speaker cables or interconnects I will buy from amazon. I already bought amazon power cables and I love them the search words are "10awg audiophile power cable". If you had $1000 to spend to improve your audio system you would want to upgrade your DAC. Yes all thanks for the Chinese.

Now if you had $10000 to spend then you would invest in a pure class A amplifier(s) that is capable of doubling the output power as the load impedance gets halved and a pure linear preamp that has a constant gain through its operating range and has two sets of balanced outputs. If you have that knowledge and skills you can build (or re-build) your own dream amplifier(s) and preamp. buy two identical old Krell or Levinson power amps and get their circuit diagrams somewhere. then you'll be  relying on computer modeling to re-design the amp to produce the correct values that you want. Of course you must use the finest components available to achieve this goal such as ultra precision resistors and capacitors from Japan. For the preamp you can this volume potentiometer from a company in Korea I know it's outrageously expensive but such an engineering marvel, a perfect linearity Vo=aVi+0, a is the gain factor constant and 0 is zero. A $1000 power cable with a magic lamp attached or a $1000 volume potentiometer with its data sheet. It took me about 200 hours to complete the project and I invested most of my weekends for 6 month. Well this is a different topic and i'm too tire to write any longer

curiousjim

I bought a pair of expensive IC’s. Until that, all I ever used were the thin cheap cables that came with cd players. OMG was the difference huge! From that point on, I believe that cables mattered.  In the last four years, I’ve bought seven power cables (all $500 and under.) and to be honest, I’ve not heard a lick of difference, but I definitely am not going to yell and call people names because they can hear something that I cannot.

Very true! thanks for the input. Good audio cables do make a difference but power cables don't. Just get one 10 or 12awg from amazon These days you can find plenty of excellent audio/power cables on amazon/ebay 10x - 100x cheaper than those major brands. I would spend money to upgrade dac/amps/speakers (if i had extra thousands to spend)

maghister

I am retired and i appreciate everybody even those with whom i may disagree... i like too much discussing here and not staying alone... I am not perfect..

Of course... keep warm & healthy!!!

rodman99999

the cleaner the power (from the wall, cord, fuse and PS), the more faithfully the resultant signal, when it reaches your speakers for reproduction.

Do you know what EMI filter does and where it's located and how those x/y capacitors and common mode chokes work together to swamp out all EM interference noise that the power line picks up right from the power grid (not just the last 5 feet from the wall outlet) to your audio equipment. Yes the EMI filter should swamp out all RF signal from the power cable so the noise can't make it through the power supply of the audio unit. You just need a cable big enough to carry the current without heating up. And that's why you don't need a power conditioner either to clean the AC power from the wall outlet.

I bought amazon power cables for less than 50 and I love them because they please my eyes. They don't make my audio system sound any better than the stock power cord. What about $1000 power cables? A total waste of money. Nonetheless we all know "placebo effect" is alive and well so you'd believe a $1000 cable/the magic oil lamp makes your system sound better because you feel better about it.

rodman99999

Thanks for all your inputs. Filtration through the common mode choke EMI combined with galvanic isolation of the transformer should be able to eliminate unwanted signal noise completely. This is not my opinion but one of the established principles of signal electronics. But I agree with you on "   however good the filter, the cleaner whatever goes in: the less work the filter has to do and the cleaner the output." Happy listening!

rodman99999

 Tesla is probably my favorite innovator, who (despite the incessant, projectile vomit, from his day's naysayers), took the World, kicking and screaming, into the 20th century, with his inventions.

I agree! He was one of the greatest electrical engineers/physicists/inventors who ever lived... all of his work done based on science/engineering principles. What if he were still alive would he ever want to know about all these snake oil DBS/articulation console/network box and cable burn-in and power conditioners and tweaks. He would scream "i don't do snake oil"

Ever use a non-contact circuit tester?

rodman99999

Of course I know exactly how it works and I do have one. I got my master degree in EE from one of the best engineering colleges in the nation. Your description is not quite right. Electric and magnetic fields are present around any electrical circuit.Also an electromagnetic field can be formed when charged particles are accelerated. We don't use any "electrical theory" in modern electrical engineering. From their website "by keeping a constant electrostatic field on an insulation material... the molecules of the material are polarized reducing the misbehavior ...the insulation can't absorb new energy" Seriously rodman99999 none of the above makes sense a good example of pseudo-science. Of course if i ever visit Indianapolis... i will be honored.

rodman99999

You're actually good. I would rather use "electric potential' than "voltage potential". Voltage = electric potential difference between two points.

jea48

Thank you for investing your time and effort in making this thread more informative.

cleeds

Thank you.

clustrocasual

Did you get paid to write the story or what's the purpose? Bizarre... it seems you're desperate to prove 'cable burn-in' is real what for? What really grabbed my attention was "  I saw CalTech guys talking about it on YouTube" I tried to find the youtube video but couldn't. Could you please share the video with me with us? Or you just wanted to destroy her reputation? I thought this school motto was corny I never paid attention until now "The truth shall make you free"

I keep getting this question about me being negative and not contributing. Being truthful as an electrical engineer is how I contribute to this forum.

audphile1

"What we’ve been discussing is molecular explanation of cable burn in"

So cable burn-in not only induces molecular rearrangements of dielectric molecules but triggers molecular expansion to absorb less energy. Do you even know the transition temperature for plastic dielectric macromolecules to get transformed into rearrangements and expansion? Cables will burn out! Just more pseudo science nonsense because you don't really know.

Let’s hear from cable manufacturers about "cable burn-in". National Wire and Cable Corporation is one of the few good cable manufacturers in America actually do wire drawing/annealing/stranding/extrusion etc.. All the major brands (cable resellers) buy bulk cables from these manufacturers (or from china) and do cutting/terminating/seasoning with snake oil (extra jackets and all pseudo science magic lamps dielectric bias art console network or other passive RF filters (???) and stabilizers etc..)/packaging them to sell. Ask the actual manufacturers for their opinion on cable burn-in. They will give you an honest and direct answer to the question. "No there is no such thing as cable burn in." And ask about those magic oil lamps.

All my coworkers told me to stop wasting my weekends on this forum. And the weather gets better recently in the bay area.