While I appreciate the position Galen takes, and his bravery in actually putting design elements forward in cables, to me this is lose/lose position. Nothing to gain, as the two groups are firmly entrenched in their bunkers:
1) The measuremantilsts: no matter what measurements you show them, they will never buy anything more expensive than hardware store stuff. Period.
2) the subjective people: measurements mean nothing. Proof is in the pudding. Read: actual experience
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Doug does not need to be a tailor to know what suits him |
What seems to be the problem officer? |
This entire debate is a living proof of what I state at the beginning of these thread ---- the position of Galen is a lose / lose proposition.
The "objectivists" hate cable. They believe they do nothing, just as most of the things audio.
They basically have the following attitude:
1) Cable manufacturers that do not mention anything on technical aspects of their building process: snake oil. Hate.
2) Cable manufacturers who explain all technical aspects, and provide measurements: hate even more. Big time snake oil. Why? Because it rattles their own theory and the foundation of their beliefs.
This is why this is all lose / lose. No matter what technical explanation one provides, objectivists will never be happy. They will always say things like: beyond audible effects, measurements are done wrong, no impact on sound, blah, blah, blah.... |
Yes. At least one, @douglas_schroeder . He wrote a review about them. See above |
Awesome! Finally someone in the real world actually getting these cable. I look forward to your impressions.
For some reason (not strange to me), people I know who value the benefits of cables never tried these. And the measurements crowd, typically 99% correlation with cable deniers, well... they never buy expensive cables no matter what... the measurements are.
Did you order the Iconoclast cables direct from the website? |
Dudes like Dltech are perfect examples of what I keep saying all along in this thread: #measurementmorons will never buy any cables regardless of what measurements and technical details you provide for them. It’s a lost cause. A lose / lose proposition. |
Very funny! And what exactly did YOU bring to this discussion? This?
dletch2161 posts04-18-2021 10:07pmThis thread strikes me as the blind leading the blind. The article is meant to be impressive, but technically is super weak, but if it suits what you want to believe, it must be true. Same people who going gaga for Galen, pun intended, also go gaga for Ted, who comparatively, probably barely knows what a cable is. Can't have it both ways boys and girls. |
So let me do the math: I am in high school, so less than 18 years old. I joined Audiogon in 2005, when I was less than 2 years old?
Besides, what problem do you have with what I wrote above? Triggered? |
It’s so funny: #measurementmorons with after market cables always say one of the following excusing themselves for having them:
1) They got them for free or very cheap
2) They look good. Audio jewelry
Heck! One of them said he got a $16,000 DAC because it looks good instead of a $50 China DAC that measures the same therefore sounds the same, just because it looks good. A little subjective?
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It’s so funny: #measurementmorons with after market cables always say one of the following excusing themselves for having them:
1) They got them for free or very cheap
2) They look good. Audio jewelry
Heck! One of them said he got a $16,000 DAC because it looks good instead of a $50 China DAC that measures the same therefore sounds the same, just because it looks good. A little subjective?
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I thought you were the authority here, established in these two long weeks since you “joined”. You can figure out what I meant with my math.
Anyways. You can carry on with winning the Internet 😉 |
I always thought Douglas is a honest, down to earth guy. Not just his reviews, but personal interaction (here and other places) as well.
As for your “armchair dilettante” comment on the other guy, I fully agree. It’s the age of the Internets. I have read so many replies from these #measurementmorons types, I can practically write what they say automatically without even thinking. It’s just the same stuff they say over and over and over. It’s like in autopilot. I can honestly predict with 100% accuracy their replies to me, before I say something. It’s hilarious |
If you had to go “special” might as well go all in special. What have you got? |
The arguments you make full time every day, over and over, has nothing to do with listening. It’s just an argument for the sake of argument. Nothing to do with audio, listening, or music
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The argument dudes like dletch make over and over has nothing to do with listening. It’s just an argument for the sake of argument. Nothing to do with audio, listening, or music |
