The difference between Qoboz stream vs purchased songs


I am a admittedly noob, so please forgive my ignorance. Recently, have had the pleasure of getting a Innuos pulse mini, what a game changer! I knew that with the mini you cant buy music, only stream. Using Qoboz, is there’s a difference in sq between the two? I live on a fixed income so I have to be frugal and am trying to figure out where it’s best spent. Thanks so much for any info on this subject.

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...there are some hi-res recordings that Qobuz makes available ONLY for purchase, not for streaming. I have noticed that sometimes when a track or an album says "not available" in my streaming setup that it is available to purchase ...

I have found the same thing with  Qobuz. In the end, there is sometimes no substitute for owning a recording. Same as it ever was.

 

Qobuz download entire songs before playback starts during the streaming, and even stores them in a cache. 

That false, and debunked in this post. This is very easy to test for yourself, so I'm not sure why you continue to make the claim. You are conflating streaming, downloading, and caching.

No, what was proven is that you don't understand how Ethernet and streaming services work. We went over that.

Ad hominem, logical fallacy.

The link I provided showed details of a simple demonstration that disproved your claim that a song is "downloaded" to a cache in entirety before playback starts. I knew you were mistaken before I conducted the experiment, but I did it anyway, in part to encourage others to do the same. Perhaps there might be something to learn about the sizing of a streamer's cache, or even how that cache is stored, but that's a difficult discussion to have with anyone who truly believes a streamed song is downloaded in full to cache before playback starts. Indeed, you conflate streaming, caching, and downloads as though they are all the same thing. It's rather like claiming an SUV is a car. In a way, an SUV is rather like a car, but it's different. Hence, we make distinction between it and a car for the purpose of clarity.

To be fair  to you, if all you ever download is the latest 3-minute Katy Perry (or whomever) pop hit, it is possible that the entire track will be in cache before it starts to play. After all, those are often very brief tunes and my cache held about 3 minutes of music.

fredrik222

It’s not an attack on your person, it’s 100% a statement of facts. You don’t know anything about Ethernet or TCP/IP.

Begging the question, a.k.a. circular reasoning, logical fallacy.

The link you provide here goes to speedtest.net, so that proves that you still don’t understand it.

That speedtest link shows that the test I performed - which disproves your claim outright - was not caused by poor interconnect speed. I’ve since duplicated the test with other equipment. Feel free to tell us what equipment you’ve used to achieve different results.

I really don’t know how much more you need to show you are wrong, but wrong you are.

I’ve provided the results of actual demonstrations. And, you still conflate streaming, caching, and downloading, as though they were all the same thing.

Streamed Quboz tracks are not downloaded in full to cache before playback starts. It’s unclear why you refuse to acknowledge that, especially given that it’s been proven in demos.

fredrik222

this is getting ridiculous ...

Communication is only possible when there is shared definition of words. A zebra is rather like a horse, but it's not a horse. An SUV is rather like a car, but it's not really a car. And a download, a stream, and a cache are three different things in my world, regardless of how they're related. To you they're all the same, and you can't accept a simple physical demonstration (details previously provided) that demonstrates otherwise. So good luck to you.

what do you think is more likely, 1) Your experiment is flawed 2) Qobuz is lying. The answer is obvious.

Logical fallacy: excluded middle/false choice.

Please feel free to conduct your own experiments. I’ve now done three, with three different streamers, with similar results. The experiment is so simple, it’s a bit of a puzzle as to why you resist, other than it allows you to keep the "argument" alive.

Of course, you’re also free to copy/paste here, rely on press releases and the like. Suit yourself.

Do you have any way to share that test?

The first test I did is detailed here. It’s easy to do, so you can try yourself.

Because based on what I’m seeing on my own, I don’t see an issue with Qobuz; quite the opposite.

I have no issue at all with Qobuz, it works just about perfectly for me. I think it’s a great service.