Testing Ethernet switch

Keep in mind this is tvrgeek’s opinion.  He is not a degree’d engineer or scientist nor has he published papers in technical journals on this subject matter.  Therefore, he is not a subject matter expert.  Correct me if I’m wrong.  Treat his opinion as such.

I am not a subject matter expert on the internet or ethernet either.  I have an opinion too.  My opinion differs greatly from his.  My opinion is based on personal experience.  I am however an  experienced, degreed engineer.  I understand the value and context of measurements and how to interpret them.  I also have 44 years in this hobby and have experimented and trialed various mechanical and electrical upgrades with varying degrees of success as well as participating in the observations and discoveries made by fellow audio hobbyists.  One of the craziest tweaks still that I have encountered in this hobby is using a bulk tape eraser on CDs.  It works, my fellow audio friends have experienced it as well.  No one can adequately explain to me why or how it works.  Doesn’t matter.  What matters is the application and the repeatable results with a $20 Radio Shack bulk tape eraser.  The experience is like hearing a record with a poorly tracking cartridge before the CD is demagnetized.  After demag, the sound is much clearer.  One day someone may figure it out but since the CD era is about over I think it is not likely.

Claiming digital audio is just “1’s and 0’s” is a simplistic and naive point of view.  Digital audio has analog components that affect the sound quality.  Thinking you know how IP works is not the same as knowing how it works.  Training is a non-heuristic process used to teach people a specific set of tasks.

And conversely, I have not seen anyone on these forums with the credentials to be subject matter experts on this topic, refute what audiophiles have experienced.

I appreciate you.  

One of the teams I managed was a group of rocket scientists.  So I was definitely not the smartest guy in the room but I had to have a few discussions about emotional maturity now and then to keep HR at bay. They could be a handful but that’s how we keep our country safe.

Haven’t had a blood pressure pill since retiring  

You two bozos, aka clowns seem to ignore facts and keep pushing your own crazy off the wall narrative.  You two have nothing better?  Is it a burning jealousy that you can’t hear or can’t afford a good stereo?  Do you two pick on videophiles as well telling them they only think they see a better picture?  How about RC hobbyists?  What kind of faults do you find with them, I wonder  

Keep it up.  Very entertaining.

I picture you two standing in the rain getting soaked arguing umbrellas are a fabrication for the gullible thinking they are staying dry  

Clowns:  people who pose as experts but lack credentials such as certifications and publications in appropriate technical journals.

A psychiatrist might be a better fit for your discussion.  Psychobabble, by Alan Parsons Project.

Fabricated statistics- another clown move.

Dear Freddy, of course I have relevant experience. Again, you ignore anything that doesn’t fit your narrative.
You should get a pony for your clown act.

You see, I’m the one with a high end stereo and an audio grade network switch that improves the sound of streaming- real world experience.

Your the one with no stereo with an audio grade network switch and so no experience and no knowledge- just an opinion based on speculation.

Dear Freddy, you are mistaken. I am not arguing your facts. I am arguing that your facts and statistics are not substantiated with reference to sources. Neither you nor the Geek have demonstrated expert status, ie. Membership in professional societies, nor any reference to serving on committees in professional societies that create specifications and standards for telecommunications equipment nor reference to any published technical papers. You nor the Geek have not referenced or demonstrated the ability to design and develop telecommunications equipment.  A certificate from a manufacturer does not qualify you as an expert.  That qualifies you to install their equipment. Therefore, you have an opinion, just like me. To assert anything more than that is misleading. Go back to my definition of a clown.

Freddy, Freddy, Freddy.  You have succumbed to your emotions by shouting “Snake Oil” (same as your cohort, the Geek) which means that you have lost the technical argument.  “Snake Oil” is a meaningless term, an emotional term used to sling mud at someone or something when out of exasperation you cannot think of anything else reasonable to say.

And before you go there:  Clown is a technical term and I defined it as such.  You keep calling me a clown but by definition, I am not.  Ok, maybe I am but I still have great sounding streamed music and TV picture.

Dear Freddy, say what you like.  I owned you in my last post. 

The Geek is like a man standing outside a fine restaurant staring through the window at the people inside enjoying their meals.  He won’t go in.  Instead he stands at the door asking everyone going in or out if they know the recipes and the ingredients of the food served there.  Of course, they would look at him with incredulity and say the food is excellent, who cares about the recipes.  If I want a good meal I will come here to eat.

An excerpt from JB’s memoir’s.  “I remember as a young man working with my good buddy Al Gore to invent the internet.  I said to him, you know, one day people are going to stream music on this internet thing we are inventing.  So we need to get this right.”

C’mon man.  We are mostly Audio Applications Specialists, AAS’s on these forums, not telecommunications equipment designers.  You are on the wrong forum if you are looking for design details of the equipment.  Should have figured that out by now.  Just get yourself a decent audio grade network switch and some good quality ethernet cables and enjoy the music.  The proof is in the pudding- not how it was made.

I appreciate that.  Most everyone here loves music and loves hifi.  They want to know what is good and what doesn’t work so well.  The hard spots come sometimes because of the wide cross section of people with various years of experience, listening skills and technical understanding that participate on these forums.  The gaps can cause friction.  Some here can afford top end gear while others can only wish for some gear that is less than 25 years old.  Some here have high level technical skills while others know just enough to turn their system on.  We all need to be mindful of these differences and remember that everyone’s goal here is good hifi.

I stepped into hifi as a DYI’er in the late 80s with sound per dollar as the top goal.  I slowly transitioned into higher end hifi over the years to doing an almost no holds barred upgrade to my system a few years ago.  (That was after someone told me that I can’t take it with me).  I got tickets to CES in Chicago in 1989.  That was one of the best days of my life.  (Second to my wedding day, of course.  I’m sticking to that).  Spent the day at the hotel across the street seeing and hearing all of the hifi gear.  My buddy and I snickering at all of the expensive “hifi” cables.  We thought it was crazy at the time.  Look at me now.