Technics SL-1200GAE or VPI HW-40 or …?


Hello all!

I’m looking for my “reference” direct-drive turntable and am looking at these two usual suspects:  the Technics SL-1200GAE or the VPI HW-40.  However, I was wondering if the VPI is “worth” the more than triple the price of the GAE?  Also, is the new motor Delta Sigma Drive technology Technics introduced in the new GR2 models worth waiting for should it (hopefully) trickle up to a G-model?

I’m happy to pay for performance should it be difference making, but as I’ve not auditioned the VPI (I have listened to it at several Capital Audio Fests numerous times), I wonder if the substantial price difference is warranted in real-world listening.

Thanks for any insights…Enjoy the music!

Arvin

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@billstevenson As you are quite familiar with the models and the Technics can be purchased without a Tonearm.

Do you feel either TT's would be as equal to each other as you describe, if the Technics had a much more expensive Tonearm mounted to push the overall cost more towards the cost f the VPI ?    

I Myself have become an advocate of Lighter Plinths where materials selected have effective dissipation properties along with attractive measurements for damping properties.

Mass Plinths are in general as a design quite able to add a colour to the end sound. For some loke myself, the colour can be easily homed in on, and can become a detractor and even a cause of early onset listening fatigue, hence my preference has evolved to lightweight Plinths that are not able to create the colour being referred to.

I myself have for many many years been an advocate of overhauling Platter Spindle Bearing Assemblies, these are very noisy when not optimised as a design.  

Bearing Assemblies are also able to add a colouration to the end sound, it depends on what proportion of a rotation is Metal on Metal, and how much weight is applied as a result of a Off Axis Spindle rotation.

A Journal Bearing depends on lubricant to fill a very tight tolerance void, to stop the contact of metals. The Hydrodynamic Design for a Journal Bearing is dependent on a different operation to that of the TT Platter Spindle Bearing to be successfully Hydrodynamic and be able to keep the tight tolerance space filled with lubrication, where the oil is the contact surface for the Spindle and not the other metal parts. 

A TT's bearing will create a Boundary lubrication when using a typical design commonly offered. Boundary lubrication is basically Metal on Metal as a proportion of the rotation or as for a TT Spindle set up in a typical Bearing Design, metal on metal will be occurring throughout most of the rotation.

How does one avoid the Vibration and Noise Transferred through the Boundary effect?

One method, is to swap out Metal Parts for Thermoplastic with engineering qualities such as Acetal, this is commonly seen today as a upgrade for a bearing.  .

Alternatively, create a Bearing Housing that can retain Oil and produce a Housing that can function as a Oil Bath, with the parts submerged in oil, boundary effect id highly unlikely, with the correct viscosity of oil selected to use for the fill.

A oil bath is not an option on a Inverted Bearing, and typical lubrication methods is also another challenge.

There are to relatively easy finds, historical info, to show how not too old TT models using the inverted bearing design, have shown catastrophic break down of the most important interfaces, as a result of metal on metal and applied force to the surfaces.         

The OP will be best served if they find a way to have a demo' of each TT, and learn how the TT's Structure and Bearing Assembly is able to impact on their sensitivity to colouration that is able to be produced.    

Congrats on the choice of TT there are numerous very contented users of DD TT's that come this Production Pedigree.

 As for Mat's it is impossible to recommend a Mat for your set up, and listening environment that will work.

Clean Records are key to maintaining enjoyment, a Sticky Surface Mat will attract dust and other airborne contamination that is not as easy to keep clean as other materials, 

 True or False, a Platter Mat has an impact on the Tone being produced.

Even the designs that successfully dissipates the excess energy from within the Groove have their own unique sound signature. 

It not using a Mat as a Tone Control, it is knowing from use, a Mat that functions to meets ones needs and knowing the effect the selected mat can have on the sonic being produced.  

With a selection of mats that are quite capable to meets ones needs, why be a in mat individual if a variant of the sonic is known as being available.  

Referencing weights / Clamps, I have used all Three Turntable Motor Drives and found BD the most reactive to weight, so can see how a Clamp may prove to be a decent method.

I have not used a Clamp it has always been weight, used at differing grams, materials and composite materials on ID and DD Motor Drives.

Weights have been used regularly as a differing configuration with Platter Mats.

All my Platter Mat Trials have been carried out using different materials / weights to see how the permutation impacts on sound being produced from using the entire assembly of Mat - Vinyl - Spindle Weight.

Today I view using a weight, from my own personal perspective, as the weight  having an impact on the finest of details from the recording being enabled to be presented. 

The weight can have a subtle effect on the removal of smearing and when correctly chosen with the correct platter mat, will eke out the detail to be a little more resolved.

The weight I am most impressed by on my system in my listening environment is a 1Kg Composite design. I am soon to take this composite design little further and substitute one material with Panzerholz.

A Panzerholz only weight not at 1Kg, will also be available to compare.

The design I have in mind, which seemingly works already, as a result of one material in the composite being under load, will be to have P'holz under load.

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