Technics 1200G vs VPI Forever Model One


This is a bit of a loaded question, and the Forever line is probably still too new, but I'm going to toss this out anyway. 

For backstory, I currently have a Mofi Ultradeck and it's treated me very well, but I'm starting to think about the next step and which piece I'd like to save for.

The Technics obviously has a legendary status, and is probably one of the lowest maintenance tables on the market. However they have become much more difficult to demo and you really have to purchase on blind faith that it will live up to expectations. The only time I've ever seen a 1200G was when I purchased my UD back in 2018 I demoed it alongside a 1200GR the dealer has one on display but I didn't get to hear it. That was before Technics scaled back to only higher volume dealers, which is somewhat annoying as a customer. But it's also the more affordable of the two options and I've also noticed the number of reviewers that continue to depend on the 1200G for their main systems. Obviously the option to quickly change headshells is part of the reason for reviewers, and that wouldn't really apply for me because I'm much more of a one cart type of person. But none the less, the 1200G sounds like a no brainer on paper. 

However, I've always loved the looks and sound of VPI tables. I've heard several over the past decade, and every time I've enjoyed the sound and performance regardless of surroundings system and cartridge. It also helps that I normally hear them in fairly high end systems with quality cartridges. Last weekend I also got to meet Mat Wiesfeld at SWAF and got to spend a solid amount of time evaluating the Forever Model One. I really liked the sound of the table, love the look, and the modular design is interesting but also might be annoying. But the upgradability and repair options does have a real appeal to it, especially when I think about long term upgrades. The ownership experience will not be as easy. Replacing belts, oiling bearings, manual belt speed changes, suspended design. While it certainly seems easier to own than the older unipivot arms, it will require more effort and TLC. But it does have a cool factor that I just don't get from the Technics, and the idea of upgrading speed controls and arms over time does sound cool. I also have more faith that VPI will continue to honor service well past the production period of the Forever One. I'm not sure I have that same faith in Panasonic once the 1200G is discontinued. 

Would love to hear thoughts from others on which direction you would go and what pushes you that way. 

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That technology worked and that is Phoenix the company that SOTA bought.  The back story is that the owner of Phoenix Engineering, Bill Carlin, disclosed online in a public forum the name(s) of certain supplier(s) to VPI, which was unprofessional.  Harry Weissfeld never forgave him.  So when Phoenix needed a buyer, VPI, which otherwise would have been a natural fit, felt more like a hostile take over.  Sota benefited in the breech.

 

@billstevenson Not sure where you are getting your information from, but it is completely wrong.  SOTA did not buy Phoenix Engineering and I did not need a buyer.  I chose to close it down and turned down many offers from interested purchasers for reasons I won’t go into.  Several years later, a shared contact put SOTA in touch with me and I decided to provide the technology to them at no cost.  I do not collect a royalty and receive zero remuneration for the services I provide them.

 

As far as the incident with VPI, I did not disclose any information about vendors or ANY proprietary or protected information.  What I did disclose, was an e-mail from Harry praising the products that I had originally offered to VPI.  After they repeatedly yanked my chain and flaked out on any kind of discussions, I decided I could do better on my own rather than partnering with them, at which point Harry began making false and disparaging remarks about my products on public forums, even though in private he thought they were great products.  I considered that to be very unprofessional and  I cautioned him that if he didn’t stop making false assertions about my company and products that I would correct the record in public, which I eventually did, making him look like a hypocrite and a liar.

 

Question for you:  Have you attempted to lubricate the bearing on your HW40 as of yet?  It uses the same bearing as a Classic or Prime which requires periodic lubrication but it is not easily accessible on the HW40, requiring a major disassembly to reach it, which I would have thought would void the warranty.

Yes, either version of the Eagle would be capable of driving that motor.  The original Eagle was capable of 15W, the later version (SN > 620240) was rated at 25W.  The power output should also be on the front of the amplifier unit right below the AC output.

The bearing on the HW40 is easily accessed by removing the sub-platter, unfortunately, the only way to remove it is by dropping the whole motor assembly from the bottom side of the table.  There is a rather fragile flex cable that connects the motor to the drive electronics, so if you attempt this be careful not to damage this cable.