Try Micro Seiki ST-10, i don’t think 95% of the records are totally flat, for critical listening there must be some sort of weight on top of them to flatten them and to clamp them to a mat (if someone using metal mats like Micro Seiki CU-180 or Saec SS-300)
Technics 1200G - clamp record weight or no record weight?
It seems as though 95% of the time the 1200G sounds better without a clamp or weight. I use a Boston audio mat and it seems when I add a clamp or weight, it may sound pleasing in some ways for some records but most of the time records seem to sound better without anything... maybe its just the mat does not like the clamp. not sure... How are your experiences? So far I have used the Project puck, Stillpoints LPI, Orsonic 200 gram clamp. The Stillpoints may sound the best in some circumstances but it seems that the lighter Orsonic works pretty good.
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You will not damage anything, Technics supports not only heavy clamps of 1kg, but also heavy mat of 2kg. It’s been said many times on audiogon, no harm for the bearings. The SP-10mk2 and mk3 ownrs use superheavy mats and clamps, the SL1200G series can be used with heavy clamps, absolutely no problem. It’s Technics! |
@sleepwalker65 You're right, there is a difference between clamp and weight, but i have no idea how the chuck lock like this can pull up the spindle? When we apply a little force to lock the clamp arround the spindle there is no resistance coming from the vinyl, it's flexible material, it can not pull up the clamp locked arround the spindle, it's just vinyl that taking force on itself and that's how we're trying to flatten it on the platter. I've tried that Orsonic clamp on my Technics along with many other so called Disc Stabilizers (Weight) on various metal mats and i love it. Do you own Technics turntables ? |
@nkonor
... Think about things and use Your Ears. Do you really want a metal mat? Even if its copper. Some guys swear by VPI aluminum platters, Some Delrin platters. chakster likes copper mats Absolutely. This is the only way to find out what is the best for our systems. But don't forget that Technics platter on GAE and SP-10R is made of brass metal. Brass is an alloy of Copper and Zinc. Micro Seiki platter mats (CU-180 and CU-500) are made of Gunmetal. Gunmetal, also known as Red Brass in the United States, is a type of Bronce - and alloy of Copper, Tin, and Zinc. Top of the line Micro Seiki platters are made of gunmetal. Same about their Record Weight like the ST-10 and clamps like the ST-20. I think gunmetal is much more expensive than brass. I missed the point that OP has "G" model, but "GR" model does not have a brass platter (this is where technics cut the price) and adding a Micro Seiki CU-180 is reasonable. The cheaper alternative is SAEC SS-300 mat. As for the record weight the Micro ST-10 (gunmetal disc stabilizer is perfect for Technics SL1200G). Micro Seiki mat is not only a huge upgrade for powerfull direct drives, but it make any DD turntable looks like a luxury unit. I just love it on my PD-444 |
Yeah, you can always cut your carpet to put it on the disc as an alternative to beautiful Micro Seiki Gunmetal mats. This is from Denon engineers: "Low frequency limit rof the cutting on the disc is approximately 20 Hz, therefore, the signal at lower frequencies than that is not supposed to come out. However, subsonic noise under 4-5 Hz tends to be reproduced larger due to the warpage of the record disc. For the audio instruments which originally deal with the audible range signal, signal close to DC is not a close friend. Such evil effect as modulation distortion is caused on the signal in the audible range due to the undesirable low frequency range signal being sent to the amplifier or the speaker." Do you want to continue without record weight or clamp ? |