Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


michaelgreenaudio

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Oh, my. jf47t, I believe that is what's called having your a*s handed to you....
@geoffkait , Prof states- "I don’t know Michael’s engineering credentials..." and you twist that into some kind of desperate ploy of someone whom is grasping at straws (or is it strawmen?) The dying last gasp of a pseudo skeptic. As to your rebuttal of his quote, he did nothing of the sort. He simply stated he did not know what MG's engineering credentials are. I don’t recall anywhere on this thread where prof demanded to see MG’s engineering credentials, nor did the prof offer up any engineering credentials of his own. Although I did not go back and reread all rebuttals, I am fully prepared to admit I am incorrect if presented with evidence to the contrary.
@ geoff- Oh, I read it just fine. But, just in case you feel my reading comprehension isn’t up to snuff, be so kind as to direct me to where in the above post did the prof offer up his credentials if MG did the same. You must have read it in there, because that’s the entire premise of your response to it. But, then you explain that the point of your remark is that credentials are irrelevant. The ability and experience that make someone suitable for a particular job is irrelevant??! Wow. Care to explain, or mock, or insult, that one away?
@prof- Brother, if you REALLY want to mix it up with a thread that will offer absolutely nothing in the way of answering questions, buy a ticket on the Total Contact train....... under ’New Tweak, It’s Fantastic!’
@glupson, Yes indeed! Makes this thread look like an afternoon tea....Quite the donnybrook going on over there. Good, clean fun!Cheers
@glupson- just got done reading the thread you're talking about as well as another one regarding this thread. It was....interesting. Not so much a forum, but a cult. A collective MG worship mentality. And Mg's picture. It's as if he's trying to emulate the Almighty Himself in human form...

@jf47t- you state "...how far off the mark audiopoint is is shocking." Well, how shockingly far off the mark is he? What is he shockingly far off the mark about? He flat out told you to correct him if he is in error. What is your response besides simply declaring something?
@glupson- Hold out for Field Marshal! I'm afraid MG has already filled the position for deity....
@glupson, with every nonsensical post, jf47t/MG/cult leader is doing more to damage any credibility that the Tuneland forum may have had here than any other poster. His constant "I know you are, but what am I?" and "..."troll, troll, TROLL!" schtick got old pages ago. But, I have to say, it is quite entertaining to read his responses every time you and prof give him a beatdown....