Table,cartridge,phono...where to put most of my money?

That is a great question and a dilemma often faced by my friends that are not vested in a large vinyl collection. I have often recommended to change their preamplifier with a capable preamp with excellent phono built-in. Two come to mind: The CAT SL1 and the Octave 500SE. Both under $5000 used. Personally, I prefer the Octave. The Octave can be bought in Europe with 220V. It is a very easy conversion to 120V, which you will do on your own. I will keep the Linn and with the  the rest of the money, I will buy the best Lyra or Shelter cartridge I can. 

For separates, again, I will keep the Linn and look for a used FM Acoustics FM122 phono. Again, I will use the Lyra or Shelter cartridges. The base VDH Frog is also very good cartridge and I will consider it without hesitation.

Furthermore, I will invest in a good set of cartridge calibration / set-up tools and a good scale to ensure proper alignment and tracking force. Wally Analog is a good source and very helpful. Recommended scales are from Clearaudio and Ortofon.

In both cases, the achieved sound would be at serious high-end levels, provided the rest of your chain is capable for delivering the goods.

Good luck, Basile

I’ve got a state of the art digital rig (transport & DAC) and a late 90’s vintage turntable (Denon DP 47F) plus a Hana SL cartridge. I’m following this thread carefully because I am seriously considering getting a new turntable and arm.

I’m curious what it is about your vinyl sound you don’t like as well as a CD. Is it frequency response, imaging, surface noise, compressed dynamics, or other issues?

My vinyl rig actually sounds very similar to my digital rig on the best pressings. I collect audiophile pressings and the best vinyl records can have a little more "bloom" than the correseponding CD or SACD. I also have over a thousand older records dating back to the 70’s and many of those records are clearly inferior to the CD. Most of the time it’s not even close. The CD is clearer, has better dynamics, doesn’t have surface noise, and is just easier to listen to. I really doubt that buying a six figure analog setup would make these records sound better than the CD.

BTW, these records are in good condition and I have always used a discwasher to clean before with every play. I doubt that ultrasonic cleaning would make a leap in their sound quality but I haven’t heard that comparison. There are people who offer the service of cleaning your records with an ultrasonic cleaner and I would try that before spending several grand on a unit of your own.

I think the issue gets down to having an emotional attachment to your old records. If you are not buying new vinyl then I think that it’s going to be a matter of living with the SQ problems of your records. If your VPI or Linn tables didn’t cut it I doubt you are going to do significantly better with new equipment.

Regarding specific equipment, my budget is similar to yours and I am considering an EAT C-Sharp turntable or the new Mo-Fi Masterdeck table. I’m going to keep my Hana cartridge because the reviews I’ve read indicate that it is hard to do better without spending mega bucks.

On my prior post, I would like to add that my assumption was that your Linn and its tonearm are not damaged, are lubricated properly and located in a good solid rack. In addition, I would pick 4-6 records that are good recordings with little or no compression to use as my reference. For example, reproductions from Three Blind Mice recordings from IMPEX is a good start (i.e. Isao Suzuki's Blow Up or the TBM 6-LP collection), Keth Jarrett's Koln Concert and Standards Vol 1 and 2, Willie Nelson's Stardust, Talking Heads Live 1980-1981, Patricia Barber's Cafe Blue will be my test foundation to evaluate articulation, harmonics, soundstage and dynamics.

Again, all the best in this journey, Basile

I guess my post wasn't clear enough or I didn't present it clearly...the Linn  and VPI table are long gone,sold along with the phono i had.What I have right now doesn't matter its just something I bought on the cheap,no intentoons on using it..I have no intentions on getting new power with a built in phono at this time.I have a pretty decent record vacuum cleaning system..I have 100s of LPS in various conditions most better than the norm......Again all I was asking was where to put my funds and suggestions on what to purchase...thanks

Roger that OP !
IF i had your budget and needed to leap soon it would be Hagerman Trumpet or Sutherland phono, Hana ML or Ortofon Black , and the best refurbished SOTA Sapphire w arm you can wrangle out of SOTA.  

Best to you on your journey….