T+A Class D Amps ( M200 or A200)?


For somewhat idiosyncratic reasons, i am considering (i) moving my NAD M33, which I quite like, out of my main system where it is powering DALI Epicon 6s and dedicating it to powering a new pair of Revel Performa 226Be that are in a somewhat smaller room (15’x25’ with 8.5-9’ ceilings and fewer windows) with better acoustics and (ii) taking the NAD C399 that currently runs the Revels and using it just as a pre-amp/streamer/DAC (which it is pretty well suited to, despite lacking balanced outputs) and for a pair of T+A M200 mono blocks for the Epicons.

My thought is that both sets of speakers will be happier with these changes.

Has anybody here auditioned a T+A class D and not liked it?  (I think I can get the M200s on a 30-day trial at just the cost of round trip shipping, which given their slight weight shouldn’t be too bad.)

FWIW, my music is all streamed via Qobuz and TIDAL, jazz, vocals, pop some classic rock; played at rarely higher than moderate volume.

Thanks!

kirkwallace

Really helpful and thoughtful posts @goldenways and @996turbo911 (nice car too!). Thank you.

And of course you are right, @goldenways about the ratio of potential listening hours to those at play for return shipping. I was just being honest about my behavior and that the hassle of the return would quite possibly influence my sense of how much i liked the amps once i had them installed. I could see convincing myself that it was a big improvement and worth keeping them. I might have a chance of being more neutral if I could audition a few different options in person, or even better with a local dealer who would help me with an in home try out, because for sure hearing it in my space with my speakers is not something that can be recreated at an audio show or a dealer’s showroom.

And @996turbo911 , fair question about Class D.  I am not 100% committed to class D; it’s more that after a lifetime with AB amps — the last 11+ years with the perfectly fine Parasound A21 with the P5 preamp — I am enjoying the M33’s sound and sure don’t mind that it is a lot lighter and runs cooler.  But ultimately, it is as many of you have said, I should really find a way to listen to more equipment.  As it has only been recently that I’ve had a lot of time to just be at home and listen to music, I was content with my Parasounds driving a pair of KEF R500s; so it’s just been that past year or so that I’ve really been focused on upgrading components to get even better, more life-like, more dynamic sound. I probably should just chill a bit and live with the M33 and the Epicons and the C399 and the Revels (they’ve only been with me for a few weeks!) and see if upgrades make sense.  The piece that is limiting from a pure performance perspective is that, even with help from Roon support, I have been having trouble getting Roon to be stable when playing in groups that mix WiFi and Ethernet wired components, despite putting my Roon server and the audio equipment on their own fiber based network (with most of it direct Ethernet connected); and that means, if i have to drop Roon, i am limited to BlueSound connectivity if I want to continue to have multi-room listening options, and given the way our home is constructed, and the way we live, that is pretty crucial. 

All that said, there is a used Jeff Rowland 625 2s power amp at a nearby dealer in great shape at a pretty tempting price and I will ask them to hook it up for me to hear, but then I run into the question of what pre-amp; given my BlueSound issue, would a new or used NAD M66 (i would trade in the c399 toward such a purchase)  be the way to go, or do i need to look elsewhere and figure out my multi-room issues after I’ve settled on the amp/pre-amp/streamer/DAC situation.  I am really resistant to the idea of getting DAC/Streamer separate from each other and even separate from the pre-amp. (I would even consider going the other way and skipping the pre-amp altogether by hooking up an amp directly to something like the Bluesound Icon, but that is probably heresy?)

There are many (and growing) manufacturers now that offer high quality Class D that I wasn't aware of when I started my search a couple years ago for Class D monos.

I have had a pair of M200s as well as a single A200 for about 2 years now - ZERO regrets.

I used the M200s along with a pair of SPL M1000s to bi-amp the Sonus Faber Olympica Nova IIIs.

I have since changed speakers to the Diptyque DP140 MKII Panels, and tried them with the SPLs, but found the T+A M200s an almost perfect match.

Preamp by the way is a Matrix Audio MP-1.

My advice: Go for it!

The Bluesound Node ICON is designed to directly hook up to an amp. It would be wise to use the balanced XLR outputs to do so, I am told.

That, in and of itself, is why I am considering purchasing the ICON, even though my interest in streaming is tepid. The apprehension is that it is highly unlikely that the DAC in the ICON will be better than the Yggy that I use. Also, the preamp- I would surmise- would be the weak link. Still, it sounds like fun and creates a hands-on utility of sorts that everyone can interact with easily. 

I use the NAD C298, which has the same Class D technology as what the OP uses. Hence, it would sound the same; sans the speaker differences, which are vast. 

My take is that the OP probably needs a 2  or 4 tube preamp to provide the flesh/tone/etc that others here in this thread describe. But, to each his own, I have to live with 30 feet speaker wire runs, so everyone has limitations as to what can be done - or what can be deemed plausible in a room environment.

I am really resistant to the idea of getting DAC/Streamer separate from each other and even separate from the pre-amp. (I would even consider going the other way and skipping the pre-amp altogether by hooking up an amp directly to something like the Bluesound Icon, but that is probably heresy?)

Yeah the Icon is probably a good step below where you’d wanna go.  Unless you’re very space constrained I’m not sure why you’re hesitant toward a separate DAC and streamer, and most combo units come with some significant compromise either with performance or the app, or both.  Something like the HiFi Rose RS151 DAC/streamer with a good stereo preamp might work — preamps are important so if sound quality is paramount this might be worth considering.  If you’re really hell bent on combining everything including the preamp then the new Eversolo A10 looks promising with the significant caveat that their customer support is sub optimal should you ever need it, and especially with streamers it’s not uncommon at some point.  But here’s a good review fyi in case you might be interested…


https://soundnews.net/reviews/sources/eversolo-dmp-a10-review-feature-rich-great-sounding-and-incredibly-beautiful/