Synergistic Red Fuse ...

Geoff repeating your same arguments over and over does not make them any more or less true.

Obviously you believe the problem has not been solved effectively. That’s fine. But I notice you tend to fear problems are more severe than most. The old making mountains out of molehills thing. Its not healthy. Take a chill pill grasshopper. Things really ain’t so bad. Maybe consider dumping your fuse less Sony Walkman and trying "a real system". With fuses even. Then you can actually you know do something to learn about what fuses sound like rather than just theorize.

You talk ab out aftermarket fuses. There are "aftermarket" fuses of good quality that cost just a few bucks. Are these good enough for some the uber systems in these parts? Don’t know. But little risk for anyone to try and then maybe even compare to those in the elite fuse club later. Then one would know if one cares. But clearly the more one already has invested in a hifi the less likely they will split hairs over a couple hundred bucks.

My new product, the Mapman "funky fuse" is still under development. The casing will be formed from a solid block of proprietary graphene infused alloy I’m building in the mapcave with very low overhead to maximize the profits I am smelling. It will be the best fuse ever and few will be able to afford it! Believe me! :^)

" No fuse. No power cord. No ground, no house AC. No interconnects. No speaker cables. No problem. "

No wonder the purests in these parts all love you.

OP,

For comparison, my main gear is in my office on foundation level, concrete floor with thin dense carpet and padding. A most solid foundation to start with. Bel Canto ref1000m amps are on an antique wood stand with soft padded top. SB touch on top. ARC Pre-amp, mhdt DAC and Linn turntable sit on a solid maple antique coffee table less than 2’ tall. It is quite heavy and rock solid. All gear is along left side wall. Isolation is quite good by design, by far the best I have ever had at home. How do I know? Its a small room with speakers facing gear and there is no noticeable feedback or noise with turntable playing even at top volume, which is never easy to accomplish. A solid foundation like the foundation level of a structure offers is the ideal location to start and makes all else easier.

Detail, imaging, soundstage, dynamics are all top notch I would say, in line with the best systems I hear out there after a lot of attention in recent years.

My best speakers, teh large OHM F5s, are in an adjacent room connected via in-wall wires to gear in room next door so no interaction between those and the gear driving them.

Also when I had our house built, I had the walls surrounding my office where the gear resides fully insulated and a solid wood door put in. I can listen in there quite loud at night and bother no one.

So I think I am in pretty good shape isolation wise. I also have done things to minimize RF and EM interactions as well, mostly all very simple low cost tweaks like setting my phono step up transformer in a mu metal foil container and paying careful attention to positioning of wires relative to nearby power transformers.

I have SS organ symphony on an RCA Papillon Cd that is surprisingly good and my current fav.   Ormandy and Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra.  I think it's a different version than the Biggs version but not sure.   I buy most anything done by E Power Biggs when I come across it.  Nothing like a good quality pipe organ recording to test ones system limits.   

Once fuses are all in alignment, next there is a Machina Dynamica teleportation tweak up for bids now to be had for a mere $2. Geoff can explain the benefits.

The end game is near!  Or is it?  :^)

There are always at least a few people in the world who believe or can be convinced of most anything, real or not.

You must be thinking of someone else. You get confused easily.

GEoff you are blowing purely hot air at this point.   You'd be much better off stopping already, but I doubt you will.  Spend more time on reading comprehension.

Just read the thread again if you must ask that.  It's all there pilgrim.  Turn off whatever it is in you that filters out anything not in line with your agenda.

In agreement on Savoy Brown/Kim Simmonds.

Saw them in a small club (with great acoustics) about two years back and they did not disappoint.

Jack The Toad is my favorite Savoy Brown album start to finish  but many fun and enjoyable tracks from the band over the years. 

"Now on your way through life
Sometimes you just got to be a little bad
I knew Jack and, my goodness, he was bad
He was bad, bad news
You just got to be a little bad because, if you ain't
The great gun fighter in the sky
Ain't got no one to save
And if you're just a little bad
Just a little bad
Nobody forgets your name

Bad, bad news, he was bad, bad news
Bad, oh my goodness, Jack was bad news"

Fusion music!  Rim shot....

I'd be willing to bet Wolfie's system sounds really good!   Maybe better than some with fancy fuses even.

Ugh, marqmike please keep me out of it. I’m not suggesting anyone to do anything here unless they ask me first.

Hmm, sounds like its getting personal again, no longer just about the topic at hand.

How about everyone just kiss and make up and start over again?

Or not....

There is a difference between dissing a product and attacking a person. The person is not the topic. Attacks on them accomplish nothing. Just bully tactics and technically a foul on this site.  

Groundhog Day.  

Seinfeld. 

Gk you either have a lot of cohunes or are just oblivious. You are the king of logical fallacies. Its a logical fallacy for you to accuse that of some of the most credible folks around.  Clearly the only authority in your world is you.  And you appeal to yourself everyday.

What is a logical fallacy about appealing to Authority?

If the authority is in fact experts, as it would seem in this case, then the deduction in fact has a greater chance of being true.

The nice gear the fuses were in probably had something to do with earning all those notes.  I wonder how many notes earned with the original fuses?   

Would be be nice to be able to earn so much credit so easily.  

Mapman, congrats on reaching the magic 14,000.

Could not have done it without you buddy.

Yes what a bargain!

What in the blue hedoublehokeysticks are you going on about now?  

It's a shill it's a troll. It's Placeboman!!

Bully tactics won't work. 

Details, details. 

Jafree enjoy your stuff but don’t forget that opinion is neither fact nor news and definitely not universally accepted truth about any particular fuse product.

For example its been pointed out multiple times by others how merely changing or reseating a fuse and improving the contact as a result can have a perceivable effect.   Having examined fixed or changed many a fuse for customers  in  year's past I can vouch for that easily.

Also there are many who do not spread fakery but there are also others who unquestionably do.

I have no problem with people who hear a difference or like the fuses for whatever reason. I have problem when they assert things as truth however as a result meanwhile discounting or denying other assertions that challenge the case.

Asserting things that are questionable as truth is a common marketing ploy used to influence people to buy. That’s a pretty safe assertion that cannot be discounted don’t you think?

That would be interesting. Tried google search and came up empty.

One benefit would be anything done differently is a unique feature and helps differentiate one product or product line from another.

Also I’m sure not all breakers are created equal just like fuses however I would expect a good quality breaker circuit to be inherently more costly to implement than most fuses.

As a technology and innovation professional (not in audio industry though) I’d venture to guess that the good makers evaluate many design options all the time and choose the ones that are reliable and work well and are in line with the "brand". I’d expect some R&D budget is there to help raise the bar over time as well else one gets left behind eventually.

IF some things are not seen as often as one might expect there is a good reason.

Anyone with enough knowledge and skill can join the game anytime and try out their own believed innovations. If they are truly better, then that’s the ticket to success, like with Nelson Pass and many others.

Or maybe all these smart folks making this stuff are all just trolls who don’t believe that these particular things make for better sounding gear or do so for good value. That’s an easy explanation. :^)

dl I think you are right. It would be malpractice in essence for any engineer worth their salt to incorporate something they did not understand. Once they understand it, then no problem.

You are also right that a troll is a troll and nothing will change that. It’s what they do, as they say.

If a Nelson Pass or others of his stature started using SR products in their gear, I for one would certainly take notice.

wolf,

My only wish in this area is that people make good decisions based on good information.  

Investing hundreds or thousands of dollars on shady fuses is not what I would choose but hey its a free country.


Cheers!

DL,

It does not concern me what people buy. People can make their own decisions.  You seem more concerned than I with people who think differently.

dl I have no idea what your talking about. Make bad decisions on bad info then if you prefer. Whatever makes you happy is a good decision for you.  Keep me out of it please.

Only fuse fans invited?

Tell audiogon to stop showing me updates to threads I've been in and maybe I'll forget.

Here's an update.  I took my red fuse out and using original ARC fuse.  I don't hear a difference.

I can’t help how you interpret it. It’s a pretty clear statement.   Is there something wrong with it?

dl if that statement bothers you I think its your problem not others.

I'm not questioning any ones decisions.  They need not be same as mine.

Yep, that’s pretty much it. Thanks again Al. You are the voice of reason and always a gentleman. We could all use more of that!

There is much more to be learned about the topic.

I've seen that done on various pieces over the year.    It makes for a better electrical connection which is always a good thing as has been cited  though makes replacing harder.   You would have to check the specific devices warranty to see what any impacts of changing yourself  might or might not be. 

kalili in the case of magnepans fuses are directly in the signal path of the speakers I believe a case where they are more likely to make a difference. I don’t think anyone has challenged the greater likelihood of their potential effect on sound in that particular case.

As Al cited fuses are used in different places in different ways in different devices so mileage likely to vary overall.

It could also be due to a better/fresh connection with the new fuse in compared to old. The way to know would be to replace each a few times and see if the better sound occurs consistently with one fuse or another.

You'll maybe understand these things someday perhaps. .  Don't give up.  

Al from my perspective, your summary is the one presented here that best accounts for most all actual experiences related here with the fuses. That’s an indicator of a sound argument. Not to mention your large and sterling track record of providing valuable unbiased posts based on sound technical facts and reason here over many years.

Arguments based on defects with other peoples hearing or systems are totally unsubstantiated since the system in question have never been heard in support of the argument. Its not even an opinion rather a conclusion based on no actual fact or information other than a belief or assertion that the fuses must always make a difference which of course can never be proven, only that they can or may in certain cases.

Attempts to discredit or even chase away those with different or unpopular findings in my mind in fact discredits the accuser, not the intended victim. Its a reaction based purely on emotion or some other agenda and holds no water whatsoever. Pure bully tactics.

My issues or reservations are with Synergistic Research and their products discussed here specifically. I have not observed the value as a pricey (as fuses go) upgrade over the fuse provided in my Audio Research pre-amp in my particular case. That’s it.

Also I would tend to not buy products from Synergistic Research specifically based on my experience to date and assessment of information provided by SR on their products to date. That’s my judgement call based on my experience. Others obviously love their stuff.

I’ve transferred a number of old 78 records from those days to my music server and agree they are an "interesting" sonic treat.

The other day I was listening to a professionally remastered CD version of Moonlight Serenade by Glenn Miller. Audiophile sound quality for sure in terms of natural sounding if not the nth degree in all technical attributes.

I love CD remasters of classics from the oldest days of recorded music. They are true music gems and most remastered well are quite unique and hold up nicely in comparison to many modern recordings. I could listen to that music all day long.

OP the 78s I transferred were my parents mostly from around the early 1930’s. I heard and recall them when I was a kid and first fascinated with hifi and music on a variety of players from the 1950s.

What I hear now on my "good" system is not unlike what I heard then in terms of overall tonality (mostly midrange which makes for an interesting perspective on what is there given many things are not) but much more involving especially with my larger radial/omni OHM speaker based system since these speakers tend to make whatever comes through them sound like it is live in your room in terms of organic dimensional nature of the sound.

They are better than ever still even with more conventional speakers at work though.

I have one surviving 92 year old aunt in my family. I burned her a CD of these records from when she was a kid and she remembered them fondly and her face lit up when heard.

Right and wrong sounding is often purely in the mind of the listener.

Fuses matter! Gear might fry without them. By all means use good ones to prevent that just like the good gear makers did originally to deliver that great sound and long life everyone wants.

I trust certain ones enough to buy their gear so who better to recommend a fuse when needed? Maybe even ask specifically about the SR option if that’s how you might like to roll.

I’d be interested to know what actual gear makers say about the SR or other high end fuse options in their specific gear that they know best.

Or you can just trust whoever on the internet you happen to decide is best qualified or you just happen to like or want to believe in  for that recommendation.

Definitely do not do anything that might unknowingly invalidate any warranties.

In all cases I wish all only the best of luck.

Did the multiple bouts of ugliness on this thread start with the advocates of the fuses attacking the character, motives, intent, judgement, mental competency, etc of those that choose not to use the fuses or vice versa?

I’m pretty sure Geofkait is an advocate and he does that consistently all the time when challenged and shows no signs of ever relenting.  As long as he is on your side I guess that makes it OK?

The main problem is lack of information about the product to help convince the doubters and settle the arguments.. I think that’s one of Wolfs pet peeves and mine also.

Sorry GK who sells teleportation tweaks and listens to a walkman with no fuses because he thinks all hifi products are inferior in comparison carries little weight at least for me.

My red fuse is not being used. If I get some time maybe I’ll open it up, see whats inside, and share.

OP I know you are just joking but discounting engineers does not help. You’d have no sound at all in your home without them.

Are you defending lack of information?