Subwoofers - Final Thoughts with Martin Logan ESL 13A

"@elliottbnewcombjr    all the NYC showrooms and annual hifi shows, Martin Logans, Carver’s attempts, some others, but have not heard subs and panels together in a home system."

Could you describe, "Carver's attempts" at or with what? 

To @elliottbnewcombjr  

Wow, not your typical Stereophile review - and by Dick Olsher no less, practically Bob Carver's Vacuum Tube Audio's personal press rep during the Cherry VTA 180 release. 

I still can't get my head around how someone could modify one of his solid state amplifiers within a two week stay in a hotel room with the parts on hand, and win the challenge! 

@navyachts   I have tried numerous ways to tweak the bass on the MLs. From the Perfect Bass Kit, to the dials on the back. I am not savvy enough (yet) to make adjusts with the ARC Genesis software, but I did send the files into a tech at Paradigm/Anthem AV support for them to tweak and I just can't seem to get it right. Yes, I have had subwoofers before and had trouble integrating them, but I thought I'd give it on last ditch attempt as I feel something is missing here.

I've yet to hear any method of signal processing or amount of amplifier watts that can ameliorate a subwoofers poor performance when located out of the rooms standing wave bass modes.

Locate and position the subwoofer within the modes only then should processor and or EQ adjustments be made. The speaker matching comes as a byproduct of the subwoofers available adjustment parameters. (Does not apply to -6dB sub-bass speakers.)

https://www.audioholics.com/home-theater-connection/crawling-for-bass-subwoofer-placement

From your list +1 the AK Swarm. When I setup a distributed bass array (Swarm) in my home using dissimilar subwoofers the need for bass mode positioning was not needed. Simply put, the boundary located array takes the room out of the equation  providing an almost uniquely unparalleled low frequency timing presentation.

"@ricred1  I prefer the 32s to every previously owned subwoofer...dual JL Audio F110, dual JL Audio F112 v2, HSU, Martin Logan Depth i, and SVS 16 Ultras."

ricred1, you are the only staunch sub user I can recall who prefers a -6dB sub-bass speaker to the -3dB subwoofers you've owned. 

Could you describe where you positioned those subwoofers in your room?

ricred1,

My apologies that my lack of specificity led you to feel the need to justify your personal taste. You have been very clear about your current level of satisfaction with your systems speakers. 

Could you describe where in your room you positioned the dual JL Audio F112 v2's the SVS Ultra's and the Martin Logan Depth i and HSU subwoofers?

Example: Between the speakers, corners of the front wall, same plane next to the speakers etc? 

@ricred1 I feel the need to sincerely apologize to you yet again - and to thank you for answering my question.

My apologies

M 

@navyachts,

https://www.newaudiovideo.com/audio-c-35/subwoofers-c-35_34/velodyne-digital-drive-plus-10-inch-subwooferblackeach-p-9555.html?srsltid=AfmBOoobD9vNMPMO66ZjMOHYlJZIstwQ9pxspHS76z-4c1gnTCFS2v52

After over a decade still one of the simplest and quickest remote control subwoofer Auto Optimization with six customizable presets while the main system remains in analog.

Manual adjustability of all fourteen subwoofer related parameters including the drag and drop Frequency Response and Parameters Screen using a TV or laptop. Ability to control multiple subs and integrate with ANY speaker.

Google: Velodyne DD-Plus manual for questions, Velodyne Acoustics, Lidar and David Hall for background. Enjoy.

https://www.danleysoundlabs.com/the-matterhorn/

Video button at the bottom, enjoy.   

@navyachts, What does anybody really know, but hell yeah.