Subwoofers and Phase Question For You Sub Experts


I use a pair of Dunlavy SC-3 speakers, known for their time/phase coherent crossover design.

When the stars align the speakers completely disappear and there’s a sense of space and 3 dimensionality that I’ve heard from few other speakers/systems. It’s easy to destroy the illusion with things like poor placement, poor setup of room treatments, etc.

Adding subs to the setup is both a blessing and a curse. The Dunlavy’s need some support in the nether regions and a pair of HSU subs do add a solid foundation to music which enhances the overall presentation; however, it’s at the expense of some stage depth, width and image dimensionality. Placing the subs a few inches forward of the front plane of the speakers helps a little but that isn’t where they perform at their best as ‘subwoofers’.
Finding optimal room positions for bass augmentation always creates a clash with the phase aspect of integration resulting in the diminished soundstage described above.
Playing with phase settings has little impact on the problem since there’s just a toggle for 0 and 180.

Which brings me to the questions - 
1/ How does running a swarm setup, with 4 subs, affect phase/time integration with the mains? Does it create twice or half the issue or remove it altogether?

2/ Looking at subs such as the JL Audio F series with auto room calibration, does the EQ algorithm compensate for any time/phase anomaly or is it simply looking for a more linear bass response?

I don’t mind investing in more sophisticated subs so long as I don’t end up with the same problem. I’m not really inclined to mess with software and the like, unless there’s no other way.

Thanks

Rooze


rooze

Showing 1 response by tweak1

I have a large room which requires large subs. I have had 2 SVS powered subs for around 10 years that I futilely attempted to integrate. The biggest issue is the carp adjustments on the power plates, starting with the volumes control that raise volume too high when barely turned up from zero. These at least have a sweep Phase which does allow for other than 0 or 180.


I never had the negative sound stage experiences you mention, but could never get them to blend seamlessly, but when the Polarity/phase was out (on numerous discs), reversing the bass Phase/polarity solved the problem, no matter which main speakers. I had Magnepan 3.5Rs, Usher 6371s, and Emerald Physics KCIIs. Most likely an expensive active XO is needed, but my system is all diff balanced, which makes active XO in the price range of new speakers


I am attempting to eliminate the integration problems by replacing the KC IIs 10" woofers and eliminating the subs with EP 2.8s as each speaker has 2 @ 15" carbon fiber woofers. should they ever show up. They ave a few pair of these $10K speakers available for 50% off including shipping
hth