Streaming vs Physical Media


I have a decent digital front end with a Lumin U1 Mini (w/ external power supply) and a Border Patrol SE dac.  Have some CDs, but no transport.  Would a CD transport sound better than a streamer of similar quality/price?  

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entitled to your opinion and beliefs like anyone else. I

Fair enough. So are you!  My post wasn't intended as a request for you to retract your statement anyway...but I thought it called for a response, which I too stand behind!

Enjoy your gear.  It sounds like you have a lot to play with...that's really the fun to me. 

Just for some balance, there are quite a few audio enthusiasts whom understand IP networking who believe that audiophile routers and switches and signal reclocking dongles have no positive effect. 

there may be something to upgrade at the streamer end.  But the network before it should have no audio quality aspect except if you literally have dropouts.

No server or streamer is ‘completely’ immune to noise being transmitted through your mass produced routers. A server like Taiko at $30K may do a better job than others at rejecting incoming noise but nonetheless still susceptible to incoming noise. Every streamer or server out there regardless of price simply benefits from noise filters placed in between server or streamer and your router. 

the inherent noise issues associated with streaming.

Just to add balance, there are many network knowledgeable people who do not believe there is an "inherent noise" associated with streaming.  Keep in mind these types of beliefs sell products, just like dietary supplements and copper bracelets.

Not saying none of it has any effect.  But caveat emptor just like everything else.  Audiogon isn't immune to mythology. 

 

 

 

"Mythology" ? There are always differing opinions and experiences especially with regard to High End audio. It appears to me reading comments from very credible and experienced members on this forum and say WBF that these additional  parts/accessories used in streaming are in fact beneficial and improve sound quality.

There are very credible minds on both sides of this debate.  

I don't want to turn this thread into that same old debate.  However, I do believe that mentioning "the inherent noise in streaming" as though that is an incontrovertible fact and that these devices are necessary to correct them does a disservice to the less experienced wanting to get into streaming/digital music.

So I just think it's fair to note that there are other credible, non-fringe viewpoints, especially given the prices of some of this gear relative to more fundamental items that could be addressed with that budget.

 

"mythology" is smug and pejorative in my opinion. 

It wasn't intended to be smug but apologies for any insult.  In reference to this quote, I don't feel too bad about calling it out.  It's an extreme statement:

Every streamer or server out there regardless of price simply benefits from noise filters placed in between server or streamer and your router. 

As I originally mentioned, I'm adding balance. 

In the name of adding balance and credibility to your beliefs, would you please care to tell us your streaming setup and what have you tried so far? BTW, here is the my original post.

Sure, although any attempt at thoroughness would seriously hijack this thread.  I had no intention of doing that.

I have 3 streamers at the moment - 2 that I custom built based on The Computer Audiophile specs for their CAPS streamers -- fanless ATOM boards with SOTM USB cards and SOTM ATA filters (which didn't affect sound in my tests) -- and an Auralic Aries, each outputting to different DACs via USB, AES/EBU, Coax, presently I am rotating between a W4S DAC2, a Mytek Liberty II and a Schiit Gumby.

I'm on my 5th generation (yeah I wanted to get these right) of home-built Roon core servers (2 locations) which I found have to be seriously overbuilt to mitigate Roon's various bugs and resource leaks.  Network is 10Gb ethernet all wired.

Listening through either a Levinson, BAT or Bryston preamp and typically through rebuilt Magnepan 3.-series actively biamped (Marchand crossover) through Krell, Classe, or Levinson amps and REL subs. Stream Tidal/Qobuz although I have a local library of about 4000 titles; many of them my own DVDA and SACD rips. 

I've moved houses and replaced all network gear through multiple generations;  changed out network gear dozens of times to no impact. Experimented with all kinds and standards of wi-fi as well.  Assuming standard network gear up to spec and protocol, there's no difference in swapping out that gear.  I find that you don't get much or any difference in these tweaks (meaning specifically data transport) until you get to the DAC - I've rotated through 8 or 10 of those. 

But look, this isn't even about my particular opinion.  When I see an absolutist statement that ALL streamers/servers benefit from network noise filters, I am simply saying there are lots of educated folks who disagree.