Yeah, I myself wanted to do it many times and still do but never did. Zoroaster says no. |
Karma screws everyone in different ways. No escape. |
I mostly meant internal authority. It is a very complex concept. We are not exactly born with moral compass, nor do we exactly want to have it.
swampwalker, you are an anarchist, just as I am.
No-one wants to pay dealers audition fees. |
Anyway, "moral compass" is directly connected to some authority. There is no more authority to which it could be connected. We are lost sheep longing to be found. |
" moral compass" is an outdated concept. It has never been particularly popular, besides, it can be interpreted very differently.
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Yes, you do, or you wouldn’t have said it. |
Judging by some threads more and more people are buying unheard, including speakers, and often quite expensive stuff, both used and new.
No, no abuse by either side. I don't want relations with dealers, all I want is the possibility of one hour uninterrupted audition and fair price. City boy attitude. |
By the way, I would pay them for the audition not because I care about them, which I don't, but because I would want to buy an hour for serious listening without any interference. |
$5800 sale is next to nothing for Goodwin's High End. $58000 - they might pay attention. Just as in NYC area, Boston area is full of people living in a totally different economic reality than most of us. What are the formal rules, by the way ? Do dealers have to allow the audition regardless of anything if the customer insists ? Or there are no rules ?
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I think, the idea of store financing is a good one, especially now. Even if I could pay, say, $16k for a new Gryphon Diablo 300 integrated I very unlikely would want to do it right away. You don't live without savings in this country. Five year financing on reasonable terms would be nice. I heard that in Germany they don't even have credit cards, all the financing goes thru stores. Unless it's changed. |
It seems that we are all quite nice, at least on paper. I really wanted to audition newest Gryphons, without any intention to buy, and was invited by a NJ dealer after I simply asked the American distributor to send me the price list. I didn't go, but maybe I should've gone and offered them 'audition fees' as I myself just suggested. The reason I wanted to know the prices had nothing to do with buying new, it had to do with possible future buying used. I also wanted to inform the membership here. Also, dealers don't have all models, they can only order them. What do you do ? Drive 500 miles if others have it ? And that's if. But that's another point. |
Never say never but I doubt that I will ever buy any expensive piece new. Good things are too expensive and there is a pretty wide availability of used stuff. Buying used from dealers is an excellent way, if possible. |
Exactly. I would offer to pay for their time, I think a fair rate could easily be negotiated. |
