bo1972, Just stumbled on the 3D vs 2D concept. I've always wondered what was wrong with my hearing because I could never "hear" much depth in sound stage over maybe 4 feet behind my speakers. I have Monitor Audio RX-6. You say Onkyo is a good brand with my speakers. I've always heard a dedicated stereo amp is better than an AVR for music. You've recommended the TX-NR929 and TX-NR3010 which are AVR's. Does Onkyo have stereo amps (integrated) that meet your 3D approval? Would a vintage Onkyo (5 - 10 years old) be worth buying?
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I understand you've worked years to achieve your ways of measurement for stunning sound. How do your customers benefit?
I'm thinking about replacing my Harmon Kardon AVR (2005 model)
Would an Onkyo TX-NR 818 (2012 model) be able to produce Tru-Fi with your measurements or is it too old school? .
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Took a look at your facebook pics. You're right, there's no way anyone will ever be able to do set ups like yours. I've never seen anything like it before. Your customers are quite a fortunate group of folk.
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When will you be marketing your sound? Any idea on how much your sound will cost?
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Besides Pass Labs, Onkyo and Monitor Audio, which other brands of amps and speakers do you find have the ability to meet your high expectations in music reproduction? Which would you recommend to someone "shopping" for new components or just starting out and who is limited to a mid-fi budget?
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Bo1972 "I met a person who is a marketing specialist, he will sell my
knowledge. This way I can give many people in the world a much higher
level of sound.
I can educate people so it will be available for
more people. This is still one of my goals.But I will not give it away
for free."
I am not attempting to copy your methods. I understand you being guarded
in sharing the information it's taken you a long time and lots of hard
work to discover. I'm only asking which brands you've found capable of
producing the 3D sound? You say most components have 2D in their DNA
and can't produce 3D sound. So could you share which ones ARE
worth buying? Do you sell these products over the internet?
Bo1972 "We also do a lot of modifications to amps and sources and again the
improvements are huge for reasonable prices. You are not able to create a
higher level by spending the same amounts on new speakers, amps,
sources or cables."
Do you have a business (brick and mortar) building where you do these modifications? What do you charge? Can a person send their source to you for these modifications?
Bo1972 "We are now discussing how we will sell it. In about 2 months our website
will be ready. This will be a totally different approach in
sound&vision.
I can promise you that it is a new an higher
level what is available at this moment. We also will start making a
videoblog about sound&vision."
Looking forward to it!
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I guess I’ll have to wait until you go live with your marketed knowledge before I replace my amp. From what I’ve read, your knowledge will be well worth it. I sure don't want to waste money on an amp with 2D genetics.
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I don't listen to much networked music but I have bought several high resolution CD's from HDtracks. I have about 60 vinyl LP's. Some I've bought as CD's over the years, the rest have been converted to FLAC files on my computer using Audacity. I also own a ton of CD's. Do you recommend or sell any integrated amps that meet your standards for producing 3D sound?
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b01972, besides Monitor Audio, what speakers do you recommend?
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bo1972 what's your opinion of the Focal Aria's?
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I'm trying to upgrade to a pair of the original Monitor Audio PL200's. Is that a step in the right direction?
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Can't afford the PL500's, but just made a great deal for a pair of PL300's brand new in unopened box. The reason why I bought without hearing is because I have a pair of Monitor Audio RX-6's and they're great speakers for their price. Just felt a need to upgrade. Can't wait to run them in and start enjoying.
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Deal for the PL 300’s fell through (beaten by a higher bidder). I’ll be receiving a new pair of MA Gold 300’s (2015 edition) instead. They’ll be paired with a Marantz 11S3 integrated which I bought last year. b01972, I believe you said Marantz’s are 2D. Are you 100% sure? If so, what would you recommend as a replacement in it’s price range?
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As I said earlier, I'll be receiving the MA Gold 300's. The
Primare A32 and Pre30 have excellent reviews. Will these 3 together give me a 3D soundstage?
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I've been looking at the back connections of both the Primare Pre30 and A32. How would you connect a subwoofer?
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bo1972, are there any Primare or Pass Lab integrated amps that would produce a 3D soundstage with the Monitor Audio Gold 300's?
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Music without a subwoofer doesn't sound realistic to me. Even though the MA Gold 300's can play 30Hz the dB level is too soft. Rec out is not an option because the subwoofer doesn't tie in with the other speakers. So can you recommend a 3-D amp with a pre-out or subwoofer-out connection on the back panel?
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I am not a tube fan (too great a potential for sound variation) and I am a subwoofer fan. So here's a simple question: the Primare I32 integrated amp has pre out. Has anyone found the I32 to be a good match with the MA Gold 300's?
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Okay, bo1972, it seems no power amp + pre amp combo you've mentioned has a pre out or subwoofer out (something that is a "must have" for me). Onkyo does but you say it's no good without your S.A.P. measurements. Each time I listen to the Marantz I realize just how warm it sounds." Guess I chose to ignore all the reviews that described it as "warm."
I sold a pair of Audeze LCD-X's because they sounded to me like the music was being played under a blanket. I don't like warm. I realize that now. And yes, I still want a 3-D sound stage. So
I guess I'll be doing a lot of headphone listening for the next few
months until your marketing specialist markets your knowledge.
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Is the Primare Pre32 any good? A Pre30 is hard to find.
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Received the MA Gold 300's today and they are burning in. Won't do any critical listening until they've run 100 hours. Out of the box the bass is impressive (who needs a subwoofer when you can hear and feel this)? The mid range and highs definitely will need time to develop. Expecting the Primare A32 Thursday & Pre32 within the next 2 weeks.
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My MA 300's are now connected to the Primare A32 (no subwoofer). The MA's have almost 20 hours burn-in and sound so good already I can barely imagine the upper and mid level getting much better. But I definitely hear where the bass could improve. I'm waiting for the Pre32 to be delivered then I'll connect the sub through the pre-out. Presently using the DAC as a temporary preamp. It's going to be a LONG time before I get 400 hours of listening on the MA's, but I know I'm going to love every second of it.
bo1972, you were also right, there's no more warm, veiled sound and I'm loving the clarity and realistic timbre of the speakers and power amp combination.
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All of my music is saved on my computer. Most files are FLAC, 4 albums are high resolution FLAC files, some are mp3’s and a few are WAV. I use JRiver Media Center 22.
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My pocket book is telling me to be satisfied with my upgrades and I am.
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Spend? None. Try to convince me that a network player is better than a $7000 standalone DAC.
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bo1972, you would never have seen anyone at a show carrying my DAC around because it weighs a few ounces less than 45 pounds (20 kg). Like I said earlier, I don't stream music. I've either replaced my vinyl albums with their CD counterpart or ripped my vinyl to my computer as FLAC files with "Audacity." As I mentioned above, all of my music is stored on my computer and JRiver Media Center makes it very easy to listen to what I want, when I want, how I want.
I was a teenager in the 70's when vinyl was king but I don't miss the crackles and pops. And I was floored when you said you spend 200 euro's ($223 US dollars) every month on music. That is not an option for me. With my computer I can listen to the music I choose to hear, not what some server thinks I might want to hear. I'm very happy with my DAC and I don't see myself replacing it unless it stops working. Contentment. That's where I am right now and with burn-in it's only going to get better.
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Yes, I saw Lumin products on your facebook page. I’m confused. What’s the difference between the media library, a universal network player, a universal audiophile network player, a universal network renderer/streamer, and a universal network player system? And since you don’t connect these streamers by USB, how are they connected in your system? Maybe that’s why I had little interest because they seem so much more complicated. Are all the Lumin products good products. I see their prices span from $1200 - $12,500. What makes one better than the others? Does each model come with a Lumin power supply or do you have to pay extra for that?
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I read your message, did a little research, then came back and the response was gone. Sad situation.
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From what I read Lumin needs a wired ethernet connection and an iPad. I personally don't like anything made by "Apple." Have they worked out the app for an Android yet? My direct ethernet connection is in a room more than 50 yards (46 meters) from my stereo. I can't move it because the needs of the home office are more important and I won't run a 50 yard ethernet cable through my house.
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How much iPad memory is best, 16, 32, 64?
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The Pre32 came yesterday. Today I got it connected between the DAC and A32 and finally understand the word "layering." I was missing a LOT. I never knew a preamp could make such a difference. While waiting for the Pre32 to arrive I'd connected the DAC directly to the A32. The sound improved but there still wasn’t much increase in depth. But now there’s an increase in instrument separation & micro-details. Instrument and voice timbre is realistic with greatly improved attack and decay of acoustic instruments. The sub-woofer makes music sound more full bodied and the bass is so precise and visceral. The sound-stage is wider & deeper. Listening to choirs and orchestras is breathtaking. Ambience is revealing. Lovin’ it!!! Sure burn-in will just make it sweeter.
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