Stillpoints - snake oil?


Anybody here using Stillpoints Ultras? My dealer thinks highly of them, but I am very suspicious.
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As a machinist and field tech. I spent a great deal of time analyzing, identifying and eliminating vibration in complex, rotating industrial machines - everything from high speed turbines and planner heads to large, low speed scrubber fans and everything in their connective drive assemblies and surrounding structures. Aside from out of balance, the major causes of what could be, or become destructive vibrations, was the same as we see in audio - looseness anywhere in the system; all orders of harmonics as related to the resonant frequency of the machinery; the transfer of outside vibration or interference. For issues, other than out of balance, the solutions to eliminate vibration were the same for a 10 million dollar turbine, as for a home audio system - address looseness, couple to reduce or control resonance and isolate to reduce or eliminate outside interference.
I agree with Elizabeth’s earlier statements regarding cheep, sensible methods of addressing these issues. Once you understand where the problem is, it doesn’t have to cost a thousand dollars to solve the problem....Jim
Regarding Stillpoints: WOW - very fancy! At $695.00 pr. footer, so about $2,100. per component - it seems like a real expensive way to handle the problems of vibration and resonance in an audio system, when there are other (as, or more effective) ways to solve those problems, with considerably less cost.
Not judging how anyone spends their money - just sayn...Jim
Re. Mapleshade: I just had a look at their site and their products seem sound and well thought. I'm a fan of solid butcher block bases and iso pads, as a platform for components, particularly TTs and CDPs. Also the design of the three point tips on the top side of their Micropoint Megafeet, although a bit pricey, is a good design to insure a good coupling to the component. On standard designed tip-toes, I put a thin disc of dense felt, between the flat base of the tip-toe cone and the component - to reduce the chance of vibrations between the tip-toe and the component.
@twoleftears: Looks like a good product. They should be very effective for dampening and isolation. At that price - what's to loose....Jim
@ethiessen1  
Depending on how well the system, at the audio shop, was set up in the first place, I would say you would hear a difference between, without and with the Stillpoints. Most likely, with the Stillpoints, the stage would seem slightly larger, with a bit more clarity and definition through the upper and mid range and possibly a tighter bass. A smooth sales person - with a customer having deep pockets and a willingness to spend any amount to get the slightest bit better sound - may well swing a quick $2K - $5K sale on a box of fancy goods (not counting anything for speakers).
The thing is - for a small fraction of that cost (probably less than $100.00 per component) you could accomplish the same difference, using iso mats, brass tip-toes, a roll of rubber no-skid drawer liner and a thin sheet of dense felt. For a few hundred dollars more, you can add in a couple of 3" or 4" maple butcher blocks. When used in conjunction with iso pads and tip-toes, they do help - especially with TTs, CDPs, transports and DACs.
Also, I've found that small bags filled with sand or shot, can work well for dampening.
Wither in the audio shop, or in your home, taking steps to eliminate vibration and resonance, almost always has a sonic pay off...Jim

@elizabeth Aside from drilling and installing 1/4-20 T nuts, or threaded inserts, to accommodate threaded spikes - my first inclination would be to try a set of leather, shot bags. Make ea. bag long enough to go across the width of the base and maybe 4" or 5" wide and a couple of inches thick. Lay one across the front and one across the back of ea. speaker base.
I'm using some small (about 6" x 3" x 1.5") leather shot bags from my shop, laid across the metal feet of my Maggie 1.7s. Not only did it solve the problem of the speakers migrating on the carpet (only a quarter of an in. or so per mo. but enough to affect their off axis imaging) but also made an overall improvement in detail and air. I'm happy with the results, but now have to make some that are a bit more decorative and a little  higher on the WAF scale...Jim