stanton str 8 80 ?

"On small arm" ? What are you talking about ?

Your Stanton turntable has a very short and straight arm with no offset angle at all.
This is very strange decision, despite the fact that this is a turntable for teenagers wanna be a djs. I’m sure you need a better turntable. Stanton turntable is BS and Tonearm Geometry is unknown, they don’t care because teenagers use it with a cartridges with Conical stylus. For a conical stylus it does’t matter, but for any good cartridge with at least Elliptical stylus this tonearm must be avoided!

With any normal tonearm you can damage your records only with worn out needle, the brand of the cartridge will not help in this situation. Make sure you’re using a brand new stylus or the stylus in perfect condition.

Thanks for your input.
I stand corrected. I meant to say short...not small.
I spoke to a Stanton technician and he assured me that this is a good turntable. 
 I have been listening to it , and it sound good.
I feel that this is not a BS table as you stated.
This table was not used for DJ ing. 
Thanks again for your input.

You'd better ask Stanton Tech about tonearm geometry, null points and cartridge alignment with this short straight tonearm with no offset angle. 

Stanton was a good company until its founder Walter O. Stanton retired and sold it in the 90's. Since that day so called Stanton Group is primary oriented on pro market, so everything they are making is for deejays, the only problem is that real deejays choose Technics (always). 

If you want to know the true, do not ask a person who's selling you something or who's working for the company. 

The main problem of that cheap turntable is unknown tonearm geometry. This is the first thing i would concern about if i were you. 

A pivoted tonearm with NO offset will have maximum distortion at both ends of its arc. I.E.: at the beginning and end of an LP! Those are the two spots were the stylus has the least tangency to the record grooves! A zero-offset arm only has tangency and lowest distortion at the center of its arc!

SAEC made some tonearms with insufficient offset angle! Again, a case of BAD engineering!

 Gentlemen, the Stanton tonearm is underhung. Which is to say that the tip of the stylus will be short of the spindle. All or 99% of the conventional tonearms that you are talking about are overhung tonearms. Which is to say the stylus hangs over the spindle, usually by about 15 mm. With an underhung tonearm properly mounted no head shell offset angle is warranted. Yes the cantilever will achieve tangency to the groove at only one point across the surface of the LP. At that single null point, however, there will also be zero skating force. A conventional overhung tonearm is never without a skating force. Yes, at the extremes of its arc which is for example at the inner and outer most grooves there will be more tracking angle error on average then you would get with a properly mounted overhung tonearm. However, consider the fact that it is  impossible to screw up the mounting of an underhung tonearm if you just set it to be tangent to the groove at the approximate midpoint of the LP surface. Whereas, any error in setting up an overhung tonearm could lose all of the benefits that you ascribe to it. Instead of two null points across the surface of the LP you might end up with none. So I contend that Stanton‘s choice of an underhung tonearm is not wrong or stupid or cheap. It is a design choice that has a lot of merit. Read a review of the RS Lab RS-A1 or the Viv Float tonearm some time to get a better idea. These are both great sounding underhung tonearms.

Rocky, your tonearm is just fine. Let us know how it sounds.

It’s funny to compare extremely expensive ViV Rigid Float tonearm (price tag is over $2k) to cheap as chips Stanton tonearm with price tag under $100. They are designed for two different audience, completely different.

ViV is for critical audiophiles with High-End turntables.

Stanton is for teenagers to play records at High School discoteque.

It might be OK for Spherical stylus tip which is the most forgiving to set up. Other companies like Vestax also designed turntables with straigh tonearm, but those turntables designed for skratchers as a tool to scratch records (special kind of performance). All they need is to avoid skipping of the conical needle across the record surface. If a manufacturer can make a turntable with more stable tonearm just for battle/scratch DJs then they could sell more turntables, because this is all they need, nobody cares about sound quality when it comes to a turntable designed for battle/scratch DJs. This is just a professional instrument, the main function is to keep the needle in the groove when people jump on the stage near the DJ while he’s scratchin’. I think this is the only reason why manufacturers like Stanton, Vestax designed turntables with straight tonearms (just for skratchers), they have a conventional pivoted tonearms for the rest of the DJs on their different models of cheap turntables.

But the rest of the DJs prefer Technics turntables with conventional pivoted tonearm. So manufacturers like Stanton, Vestax tried to make something different to say "this is better". Just marketing in competition with Technics for specific segment (battle/scratch djs) on the professional market.

Chakster  originally you were critical of the Stanton tonearm because of its short length and lack of headshell offset angle. I am saying that the tonearm fits into a class of underhung tone arms, and that such tonearms have a great deal of merit as compared to overhung tonearms. I did not say anything about quality of construction. Of course quality of construction will have an affect on performance . Also, I am not claiming that underhung is per se a better idea, just that it is worthy of respect. So what is your problem?

 I noticed you couldn’t avoid  touching on your other obsession, with spherical styli. I don’t think the shape of the stylus tip will have any bearing on the difference in performance between a given overhung and a given underhung tonearm. I realize that when the Stanton tonearm which you apparently dislike is combined with a spherical stylus which I also know you dislike, it really adds up. 

Yes, i dislike Stanton Group products, but i like the Stanton Magnetics Inc produsts. Two different companies from two different eras. Not everyone clearly understand it. 

I'm just trying to put the things together: cheap DJ turnable, Short tonearm with unknown geometry, Bonded Conical styli .... all these things are a part of one chain that Stanton Group responsible for, this stuff made not for Audiophiles, not even for Hi-Fi home aplication, but for a scratch deejays/teenagers who can't even afford Technics for some reason. 

The OP said: " no dj thanks "
Not sure what does it mean, but this is a cheap DJ turntable and cheap dj tonearm for scratching. Maybe it's better to avoid it if he is concerning about it ? In his previous post he has mentioned DJ Craze signature cartridge released by Stanton Group. He's on the wrong path.  

A Hi-Fi turntable and Hi-Fi cartridge could be a better choice in this situation. 

I can't remember any Hi-Fi turntable with underhung tonearm with no offset angle on the headshell. 

Just sayin' 






  

And I’m just saying please read my post with a more open mind. The tonearm is not “short”; it’s designed to underhang the spindle. All such tonearms can be shorter than any overhung tonearm and do function just fine. The geometry is not “unknown”. Underhung tonearms are a legitimate approach to tonearm design. Those were the very points I was trying to make. I certainly have no idea how the Stanton sounds, but if it sounds bad that’s because of execution, not its design.