@dentdog Those fractions of an inch that you moved your speakers...I can relate to that. Actually that’s when I knew I was close. It was remarkable how much of a difference a fraction of an inch made especially as regards toe-in.
@kosst_amojan I bought those Walmart mattress pads too early on in my quest. An inexpensive way to experiment with room treatment!
@agriculturist I never used the Cardas info. from your link but I’m going to take a look at the different layouts to see if any fits my situation. (But I am NOT moving my speakers!)
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I agree that a wide variety of placements need to be tried in a specific listening environment. I have done that! Perhaps that's why it took me so long to find that exact correct placement in my space. I followed the speaker manual's suggestions for placement, tried the "rule of thirds", tried locating speakers in the room's "power zone" etc.
What helped me get to where I am now was keeping an ongoing record of all the locations I had tried. I recorded exact measurements each time I moved the speakers and as things got worse, I would go back to a previous location and tweak from there.
Like I mentioned in the original post, I only know that I'm where I want to be because of the consistency of sound from an eclectic selection of music. Each song from each source is just there in the room with all the various instruments sounding real or at least as real as any of us are capable of hearing through any form of electronic reproduction. There is a dynamic ebb and flow to the music and truth of timbre that inform me that it is time now to just sit back and enjoy the music. Hallelujah!
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@jayctoy and @tomcarr Congratulations! It can be a long and very winding road, but when you find that pot of gold at the end, it is blissful.
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@kosst_amojan Just wondering what size your listening space is if you can have your speakers 12 feet apart?
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@tomic601 Didn't realize you have the Vandy 7 mk.II. That plus the other gear you have listed must make for a fabulous system. I'm betting that high ceiling allows the 7s to produce quite the soundstage. You are definitely playing in the "big leagues".
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@johnk Nothing like a dedicated listening room designed for audio. That must make positioning a lot easier. I have the good fortune of a dedicated basement room, but the dimensions of the room were to the limit of the house design...but a nice place to listen!
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kosst_amojan Thanks for the description of your listening space. It's a big area, but as you said quite asymmetrical. It must have taken quite a lot of effort not to mention patience to get your system to sound right. As I mentioned in my original post I tried many of the formulas for speaker placement and none of them got me to THE spot.
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@stevizzy Is it audiophile nervosa that keeps you finding a new perfect spot or do things change in your system that provokes you to continue moving the speakers. I'm not throwing stones here believe me. Getting just the right set-up that locks the sound in for you is not usually an easy process. Lots of experimentation! Good luck finding that spot where everything locks in.
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@tomcarr As a one time owner of 2Cs, are you hearing much in the way of soundscape depth with the speakers so close to the wall behind them?
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@tomcarr Those of us with dedicated listening spaces have a distinct advantage over those who have to integrate their stereo gear into a family living space. Great kudos to those dedicated 'philes who find that perfect spot with great positioning restrictions.
I would be willing to bet that you treated all of the corners of your listening room to keep sound from concentrating/distorting there. |
@ejr1953 That's a big listening space! I can relate to the one note bass problem as I had such a situation in our first house. You went to much more heroic steps (10 bass traps) to get it under control. I just looked at your system. Great gear! Adding the subwoofers really does change the way everything sounds. It's not just about the deep bass they produce, it's about the sound of everything. Glad to hear you had success in dialing everything in.
One question...How much of your system is running of the P10 regenerated power?
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I know this thought is not unique to me as many A'Goners have mentioned this on other threads. I've been in this listening room for 25+ years. Regardless of all the locations I try for my speakers, they end up in pretty much the same spot. That may, in part, be because I have only had Vandersteen's in that room. In any event, where the Treo CT's are now seems to be the place I always end up regardless of speaker model.🤔 |
@wspohn Wow. The Spica Angelus. Haven't thought about that speaker for a long time. That was, to me, one of the most unique looking speakers in its time. I never had the pleasure of hearing music through them.
Agree with you about the differing demands of various speaker designs/sizes. It is a long way from the Angelus to the Maxx 2!
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@soma70 That’s a great idea! I use an SACD of Clark Terry’s "Portraits" album. The trumpet images outside the right speaker with good setup and the piano images outside the left speaker. If I’m not hearing that I know I’m not there yet.
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@wester17 Great job doing the work needed to find that ideal speaker location! I kept measurements on notecards, you marked the physical location with tape. Same idea, different implementation.
IMHO that is the key. In whatever way appeals to you, keep track of where the speakers have been in your quest for the best. It keeps you from trying failed locations tried in the search and hone in on that ideal spot. For me the final trick was toe-in. No kidding... I was adjusting it at 4mm. at a time until instruments locked into their positions within the soundspace with a smoothness of timbre and natural dynamics as heard at the listening seat.
The destination is worth the trip.
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@fourwnds Nicely done. It is amazing what a relatively minor adjustment to speaker placement can do to lock in the sound!
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