Speaker cabels for dark sounding speakers?


Hej

My speakers are considered to be dark sounding and it has been OK with me until I replaced my easy chair with a small couch. Now the sound has turned a little too dark/muffled/dead. So I'm thinking maybe if I replaced my speaker cables with some other. Yes, I know it's a long shot, especially when my current cables are Kimber 8TC. But what do you say? Smaller carpet? Just don't say bring back the easy chair or buy new speakers :)
simna

Showing 6 responses by audio2design

Oh come on that's silly. Silver cables? That's going to make no difference.

Your speakers have treble settings don't they? Have you adjusted them?

Your speakers have good directional response but the old Eaton's were light off axis making for low room energy at high frequency. They were intended as monitors not home audio. Not sure about new ones.

No cable is going to fix low total high frequency energy. That needs EQ or room treatment.

Believing that using silver instead of copper is going to magically impact frequency response of a speaker is what happens when people who don’t understand how things work are influenced by others. Call it power of suggestion, call it placebo effect. You may even believe for a period of time it made a difference but just like a sugar pill won’t cure a cold eventually you realize nope, I am still sick and nope, my speakers still sound dark. The well established properties of materials don't change because some audiophile who does not know better thinks they do.
I don’t go to my mechanic when I break my leg. I also don’t go to my mechanic when I want to understand how the conduction of electricity in a cable works and what the impacts are of different conductor materials. Why not? Because my mechanic is not a physicist or an electrical engineer.


"VERY trained ears when it comes to sonic difference."

The number of times that gets bandied around in the audiophile world is uncountable to the point it has lost meaning. Many audiophiles think they have superior listening ability. Audio reviewers especially think this. They don’t.  They have better than the guy off the street, but in most cases not nearly as good as they think. You also can't hear something that is not there, though you may convince yourself that you do.


If a speaker sounds "dark" it has either an on-axis frequency drop (this one does not appear to), or it has low total energy due to off axis response (this one may depending on the model). As well, this one had treble controls in all likelihood.

A silver cable, plated or otherwise is not going to make any difference to the frequency response of the system, no matter what you or any audiophile may believe. The OP is already using Kimber 8TC cables, which are low inductance, and inductance is a far more important factor in high frequency response than conductor material, insulating material, or any other inconsequential property an audiophile or vendor may invent. Taking some random silver plated or silver cable if anything is going to make the problem worse, not better compared to the 8TC, and is only going to waste the OP’s time and money.
While you are at it, may want to borrow a solid state amp and give it a try.

I think I am looking at the right impedance curve in which case with that amplifier, you may get get an elevated bass response which will make the highs seems dark.
Whether Nelson pass has an EE or not, he understand engineering and he would not use silver wire to tune the sound of his amplifiers. He does appear to be a good businessman so perhaps he would include it to sucker in the gullible, but he does not seem the type.

No, Nelson pass uses REAL ENGINEERING to tailor the sound of his amplifiers, not made up engineering and science. He will be the first to admit he tailors the real (not perceived) characteristics of his amplifiers.

The Op, can go to a doctor when he is seriously sick, or he can go to a faith healer.  Room acoustics, interactions of a particular tube amp and a speaker, listening and speaker positions, that is real medicine.  Silver plated cables is the audio equivalent of a faith healer.


What a weird rant about EE's.  Believe it or not, most major audio companies employ lots of EE's, some of them quite good actually.  Of course, you are likely to find better EE's designing audio stuff at Bose, or Harmon, or Sonos than you are at most boutique audio companies.  If you are smart enough to be a good EE, and you are still an EE, then you probably are not in it for the money anyway.  If it was about money, you would have been a doctor or lawyer or investment banker.


p.s. "Sound engineering" has absolutely nothing to do with electrical engineering. It is not even what most would call engineering, so again weird rant.  Of course, many do quite well working in the acoustics field.

So back to this Nelson Pass, thing. The engineers you have never heard of design the vast majority of the audio products bought today whether by dollars or by units. High end is but a small subset.
Koestner,

Would blue wire sound cool or sad?

I wonder how people would feel about this test:

https://www.audio-forums.com/articles/interconnect-cable-blind-listening-test.15/


Or this one ...

https://www.stereophile.com/content/minnesota-audio-society-conducts-cable-comparison-tests-0


- listener and speaker position
- make sure your room is not over damped
-is your couch highly absorbent compared to your easy chair?
- possible amp/speaker mismatch