Sony HAP-Z1ES and Denafrips DAC


I bought the Sony HAP-Z1ES a few years ago. It has the latest firmware dated Feb 2017. A few days ago I received Denafrips Terminator DAC which was ordered a month ago. It was connected to the Sony HAP-Z1ES using USB connection.

With both Sony HAP-Z1ES and Terminator turned on, when Terminator input is switched to USB, Sony HAP-Z1ES shows "An unsupported USB device has been connected". But the Sony analog output is turned off and data is indeed sent to the external DAC, producing sound.

I’ve tried rolling back Sony Z1ES firmware to the previous version and it behaves exactly the same.

Before I ordered Denafrips Terminator DAC, I’ve tested Sony HAP-Z1ES with Oppo UDP-205 as an external USB DAC and it works flawlessly without any errors. So I assume the Sony will work with another DAC.

Also, occasionally when jumping tracks or changing folder, Terminator DAC produces very weird and wrong sound. It does not happen all the time. When it happened, jumping to the next track or restarting the existing track clears the problem.

I would like to hear experience of other Sony HAP-Z1ES users when using external DAC, especially the Denafrips DAC brand, if you see similar problem. Thank you so much.
anwar
I can't help on the first point but on the second I've seen the same thing with my HAP-Z and Marantz SA8005.  It happens occasionally when the bit rate changes.  Like you say, changing tracks again or hitting pause/play sets it right.  
Anwar, I can't respond to your questions, and I don't want to divert your thread, but would you be willing to describe the differences you've heard between using the HAP-Z1ES' DAC without the Denafrips and with the Denafrips?  Thanks.

Jim
@jimcrane, sure I plan to share my listening experience after the Terminator has nicely broken in and after I have received USB cable from Curious Cable, Australia.  Currently I am using budget USB cable, AudioQuest Forest.  I've also tried Supra USB cable and it does make a difference.  I prefer the Forest.

My preliminary impression after 4 days, the difference is huge.  With the Terminator, I am drawn into the music as the it sounds so natural and analog-like, bigger sound stage, and can hear more details without being harsh.  Due to that, I have to rediscover my CD collection.  I ended up sleeping late a few nights as I feel so relaxed listening to it.  More coming later....
Hi @anwar , I've sent an email to Sony support. I hope they are responsive in assisting technical inquiry. 

I shall update here as soon as there is a solution to the issue.

Many thanks.

Rgds,
Alvin @ Vinshine Audio
Just to update on the reported issue. @alvin1118 of Vinshine Audio provided instructions to update Amanero USB firmware. That seems to resolve the issue with jumping tracks (similar issue as reported by @bt304, thanks) but I have not played long enough to conclude yet.

Regarding Sony HAP-Z1ES showing "An unsupported USB device has been connected" error message, if I turned on Terminator first and select USB input, then turn on Sony HAP, then there is no error at all. After that, with both devices already on, if I switch Terminator to other input (Amanero shuts down) and then back to USB (Amanero powers up), there error "An unsupported USB device has been connected" still shows up.
Dear ,have you solved the problem ? My z1es 18120r with 18120r inside connect with soekris 1541, big error , studip sound like fm radio...
@thelefthand I don't have any experience with Soekris 1541.  Have you tried switching the USB Audio Mode 1 or 2?

My Terminator still has problems with DSD playback when used with Z1ES.  Recently I tested Z1ES with Marantz SA-10 USB Audio Input, no problem at all.  So I think the problem you described is not caused by Z1ES.
Sir, I try every combination, not good ending
Which firmware are you using connect with sa-10?
Thank you
Sa10 usb dac is much better than z1es dac?
Should I buy sa10 to upgrade my z1es? Thank you sir 
Marantz SA-10 is a different class of machine.  If you have the money, yes you should get SA-10, but you will have to wait.  Availability is a problem.

My Sony HAP-Z1ES is using the latest firmware.
Sir, sa-10 playing dsd file inside z1es ,have you ever seen any problems?Noise or anything else?Thank you