I know if I say mine is OK it will break. My Line3 did the ramp to max volume when I had my headphones on. OUCH! SF fixed it under warranty which involved a logic change. I don't know if the encoder was replace however.
Sonic Frontiers Line - 1 Volume Control
Has any owner of either a SF Line-1, 2 or 3 preamp experienced problems with the volume control? You may know that the control is in fact an optical shaft encoder.
I have had 3 failures of these units.
First pre-amp just "froze" after a few month's use, and was replaced with a brand new model (as opposed to being repaired).
The second unit also developed similar problems after 2.5 years use, though this time the fault was more severe in that the volume control would inexplicably "ramp-up" to maximum (95.5db) unassisted in any way. Took out a few KT88 tubes on one of my power amps before I get to it - and turn off. The preamp was fitted with a new shaft encoder and "logic" box (behind the fascia) under warrantee in 2000, and was fine until last month when the shaft encoder froze (yet again) after turning on from Standby. The unit will still funtion of course via the remote control, so its NOT the end of the world!Have sourced a replacement encoder and awaiting fitting by local techo.
Purpose of this question is to ask if any other owner of these series of otherwise very fine pre-amps have experienced similar problems?
(RH)
I have had 3 failures of these units.
First pre-amp just "froze" after a few month's use, and was replaced with a brand new model (as opposed to being repaired).
The second unit also developed similar problems after 2.5 years use, though this time the fault was more severe in that the volume control would inexplicably "ramp-up" to maximum (95.5db) unassisted in any way. Took out a few KT88 tubes on one of my power amps before I get to it - and turn off. The preamp was fitted with a new shaft encoder and "logic" box (behind the fascia) under warrantee in 2000, and was fine until last month when the shaft encoder froze (yet again) after turning on from Standby. The unit will still funtion of course via the remote control, so its NOT the end of the world!Have sourced a replacement encoder and awaiting fitting by local techo.
Purpose of this question is to ask if any other owner of these series of otherwise very fine pre-amps have experienced similar problems?
(RH)
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I have owned the Line 1. The unit went 'out'(cannot be switched on) in the 2nd year of use, and similiar problem arised just after one year. I've also encountered problems with the fancy volume control whereby the unit was not responsive in turning the volume up and down. This problem was somewhat more persistent and the amount of repairs I've done was disconcerting. I've sold the unit mainly due to reliability issues. I've moved on to solid state preamps ever since. |
Cicero42, What causes the problem? Did Sonic Frontiers ever give you any explanation? I checked the archives over on AA and only found posts that it was a problem, no causes why. Poor design??? If I could ask you a few questions; *Do you use the volume knob alot instead of the remote control? *What is the actual line voltage feeding the preamp. 115V, 120V, 123V, 126V, ?V, ?. Maybe over voltage? *Did you leave the preamp/s powered up in standby mode 24/7 when not listening. Or did you power them down in the proper procedure completly off? Standby, then off. *Do you have a problem with static electricity? Getting zapped when touching the preamp/s? So far I have not had a problem with my Line one. Here are the answers to my questions, *I use a programmable Marantz remote control unit to control the volume on the Line One. Very seldom use the knob on the preamp. *Line voltage 123V. *I power the preamp down when not in use. *I do not have a static electricity problem. Hopefully others will chime in. Maybe there is a common thread for the volume control failure, and not just a design or component flaw. Jim |
I have a Line 3, that has a few mods (caps, resistors, wire) This past winter I had a problem with the volume. Sometimes the unit would go into mute and not come on again. Other times it would go from mute to on and then mute, switching back and forth. Tried re-powering, fiddled with the remote (changed batteries), changed out all the tubes. Sometimes just leaving it off for several hours would re-set the unit. I was just about ready to send the unit to Chris, when I mentioned the problem to my dealer (they use to carry the SF line), he questioned me about static electricity. I set up a portable humidifier in the room with my equipment, left it over night...have never had the problem since. I live in an area where the humidity is generally very low, so this may not apply to all, but worth a try |
The volumne problem is very common on all SF Line series which use an optical encoder. Sonic Frontiers does not make that encoder, so blame it on the manufacture that makes it. It's relatively easy to replace, I did mine in less than 2 hours and that was my first job. You can order parts from Frank in SFI or from outside source, but price is very close and Frank is a super nice guy that will guide you thru any problem you might encounter. |
Semi The volumne problem is very common on all SF Line series which use an optical encoder. Sonic Frontiers does not make that encoder, so blame it on the manufacture that makes it.Have you ever heard a reason why it fails? Is the new one you installed the same as the old, or a new design? How did you know where to start in the replacing process? Do you remember how much it cost? |
my line 3se have the same trouble,mute the volume and make a "click click click..." mute on mute off sequence.first i think about tubes...but after a short time i realise that the trouble may come from the headphone input.cause when you put the jack on it,the preamp click to mute!!! it may come from the haedphone circuit board!!!.since this time,when i listen music for a long period and want to listen trouble free,.....i put a cotton swab on it!!!! |
I have a Line one that just stuck on mute after using headphones. When you listen to headphone you can hit the mute button and it goes into mute and hit it again and it works but only on headphone, The mute light stays on and it wont switch on and off. Worked fine before using the headphones. Do not have the remote but I am told that the Logitech harmony 650 works all the functions, Maybe I should get one and try it Any sugestions |
I don't know if this will help but a common problem with the Sonic Frontiers Line series is the 3rd pin on the headphone jack sticks and causes the pre to stick in mute mode or flicker on and off If you change the headphone connector it fixes the problem Part # is Neutrik NJ6FD-V, It is a easy job as long as you can solder You have to remove the faceplate to do it. The total job should only take 1/2 hour to 45 min at most |
Interesting to see OP goes back to 06' although last post in 2018. Where as I dont post on here a whole lot my sense is that members are not notified of new posts unless their user name is noted in the post. I should verify this question in a current thread. lol.. At any rate, Im on my second Line 1 and have never had any problems with it nor with my first one. Although after hearing a ModWright LS100 in my system I was impressed at what I perceived to be a more musical and natural sounding synergy (s/s amp) And I sold the Modwright. Primarily because it is kind of big and really does not fit my standard size rack very well. The Line 1 of course is also full featured with all kinds of control via the remote and the original hockey puck remote is of course a keeper.. That being said Im still hunting for a 6sn7 based preamp--if you have not heard one its something to check out IMHO. |
I have had a Line 3 for a couple years now which I bought used on eBay and have been refurbishing slowly on my spare time. I love the sound and the design of the SFI Line 1/2/3. Here’s the issues I’ve had, some of which are similar to what folks have mentioned above. 1. Volume randomly maxing out: the preamp would randomly raise the volume to maximum, sometimes at power up, sometimes in the middle of operation. I found out that the problem was caused by a 74OL6000 optocoupler chip whose supply pins were not properly bypassed. This optocoupler is used to feed the digital signal from the front panel microprocessor to the Cirrus Logic CS3310 volume control chip. Per the manufacturer’s data sheet this optocoupler chip requires its supply pins to be bypassed with 0.1 μF or higher ceramic or tantalum capacitors. I installed 1 μF tantalum capacitors between the supply pins and ground and the problem has not returned (after a year and half). I believe this is a design flaw of this preamp as the manufacturer is quite clear about the use of bypass capacitors. 2. Preamp would power itself off randomly: the preamp would power itself off or power cycle itself randomly. This problem was due to a Talema 70051K transformer that is used in the Line 3 power supply for the low voltage digital circuits. In my experience, these transformers, which are used in 120 VAC units even though they are rated at 115 VAC, fail intermittently after about 20 years of use. Fortunately, these transformer’s exact replacement part is still available and I was able to replace it. Problem disappeared with this fix and has not recurred in a year and a half. 3. Headphone jack is loose: while working on the preamp I noticed that the front panel’s headphone jack would rotate if the headphone’s plug is rotated. This is not a good thing as there are metal surfaces surrounding the jack inside the unit and the metal pins of the jack are also exposed. This issue was solved by simply re-tightening the jack’s mounting nut on the front panel. However, this issue is likely to recur because the mounting nut is plastic and doesn’t attain a sufficiently high torque to fix it in place permanently. I need to add a metal nut and a locking washer to fix the jack solidly in place, then put the plastic mounting nut on top. I hope my experience is useful for folks on this thread. @jea48 |
